Simple question?

Quote: petroglyph

Well, it is a big deal. I live across the street from a big church that is forever remodeling, spending lots and lots of money to make their form of control more attractive. The street between us has sewer and water running underneath it. I have to pay for that utility with my taxes through the fruit of my labor, while all their property is tax free. Not only is all the real estate across the street valued in the millions of dollars tax free [because I pay for the services they receive, because I am not tax exempt] but the members of the church get to deduct whatever they donate to this church from their taxes.

These people are fully protected by the law [which I also pay for] to do as they wish. They decide to put in a day care a hundred feet from my front window full of screaming little "believers", and they also get to put up giant offensive banners right in our faces. Jeez, thanks for that, but how about this. Some fanatic that believes in invisible, mythological deity's is in charge of the big red button that launches our nuclear arsenal. These sociopaths have the ability to kill everyone on earth. Where is my protection [if we are all equal] from lunatics in control of military and the law [as they decide what that means]? I'm a hostage in an insane asylum. Look at the harm religion has done over the century's. Look at the family's destroyed and the psychiatrists enriched, the property stolen, kids mutilated, all in the name of your god.

If a new medicine harms 3% of the people that use it, it is removed from the market. Consider how many peoples lives are forever altered through religious dogma or child molestation. You guys need to re-evaluate your guide book.

I can not believe how you can believe in God, and religion, at the same time.

I am saying the so called "religious", and especially the priests, had better pray there is no God.

Quote: Evenbob

Obviously. Why wouldn't I get that.
But what you want is for atheists to
play along with believing things
that defy the physical laws of the
universe and pretend that certain
things just might have happened.

If you die, you're body is dead. 3
days later it's even more dead, it's
non resurrectible even with modern
medicine. So one of two things
happened with Jesus. He was not
dead when they put him in the tomb
and was in a coma. Or he really was
dead, and he stayed dead and is
still dead.

There is no third choice.

Quote: pew

Thank you for clarifying your belief.

Quote: pew

I can't believe you would want to live across the street from a big church with a daycare center.

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Must be awful. If it were me I believe I would consider moving.

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But that's just me.

Quote: Evenbob

It's not a belief, it's physical law.
Once a heart is stopped for even
a short period, the brain starts
to die. After a very short time, it's
beyond recovery. We're talking
minutes here. After 3 days it's
long long gone. If you want to
defy physical law and claim some
god put the dead person all back
together again, with zero proof
other than 2nd hand hearsay that
it actually happened, don't expect
people to just fall down and believe
it out of hand.

Which is what Christians do. They tell
you the story, and when you act
doubtful like any normal person would,
they get huffy and puffy and act like
you're some kind of simple minded
moron for not believing the story.
Because without evidence and proof,
that's all it is. A story.

Quote: petroglyph

They added on the daycare part after we moved here. Probably had some juice with the city planners, to not only put what I consider a commercial enterprise in a residential neighborhood, but are allowed to hang the banners like billboards. These people breed like rats. It is awful. Under Az. laws of disclosure, it would have to be acknowledged that property values have went down, do to screaming little monsters, probably sugar fed. I am plotting my revenge.

Quote: pew

Beliefs, opinions, whatever,

Quote: Evenbob

But it's not a belief or an opinion.
It's a inarguable fact that once a
brain has been deprived of oxygen
for even a few minutes, damage
is being done. Deprived for three
hours and it's beyond destroyed,
let alone three days.

That's a physical fact, not an opinion,
not a belief. Surely you see the difference.

Quote: pew

and agree or not, I respect your right to your opinion.

Quote: Evenbob

Now you're doing it on purpose.
It's not my opinion that Jesus
didn't rise from the dead after three
days, it's a fact. He didn't do it.
Under the natural laws will all live
with in this universe, he could not
have come back alive after being
deprived of oxygen for that long.

To think otherwise is to open yourself
to scorn and ridicule, rightfully so.
It's dangerous to go around making
claims that defy physical law, without
any proof whatsoever except 2nd and 3rd
hearsay stories in a 2000 year old book.