Reincarnation
April 25th, 2015 at 2:50:24 PM permalink | |
Dalex64 Member since: Mar 8, 2014 Threads: 3 Posts: 3687 | Looks like he felt he needed to believe in something supernatural to give his life meaning, and found an idea or philosophy that he liked and chose to believe it. "Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts." Daniel Patrick Moynihan |
April 25th, 2015 at 3:26:33 PM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25011 |
Isn't that what happens with everybody? Do you know anybody connected with a belief voluntarily that didn't choose it for the reasons you just mentioned? What's supernatural about reincarnation. If true, it's as natural as falling off a log, not supernatural. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
April 25th, 2015 at 3:49:42 PM permalink | |
Dalex64 Member since: Mar 8, 2014 Threads: 3 Posts: 3687 | Supernatural: anything which can not be explained by the laws of nature. Until you can describe reincarnation using the laws of nature (and prove it!), or come up with new laws of nature that can be used to describe reincarnation, it is supernatural, no matter how much evidence there is that you attribute to it. And yes, a voluntary belief in the supernatural is what happens to everybody who believes in such things. The very same thing applies to God. "Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts." Daniel Patrick Moynihan |
April 25th, 2015 at 5:13:47 PM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25011 |
It applies to ANYTHING you believe in, god is the least of it. You're definition of supernatural is way too limiting. We don't know how anti matter works, and nobody calls it 'supernatural'. 'unexplainable by natural law' doesn't make everything unexplainable supernatural. There are other criteria needed before it gets branded with the S word. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
April 25th, 2015 at 6:59:28 PM permalink | |
Dalex64 Member since: Mar 8, 2014 Threads: 3 Posts: 3687 | It isn't my definition. I am not the original author. Here is another definition that I didn't author: (of a manifestation or event) attributed to some force beyond scientific understanding or the laws of nature. By that definition, I still label reincarnation as supernatural. "Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts." Daniel Patrick Moynihan |
April 25th, 2015 at 7:51:00 PM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25011 |
Then you have to label birth as supernatural, which nobody does because it obviously isn't, even though nobody knows where we were before we were born. Death is just as natural as birth, everybody does it. There's nothing 'super'natural about it, nor would there be if if we were 're'born. I hate labeling things with that word because it implies all kinds of things that aren't true. It puts a stumbling block in front of understanding it. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
April 26th, 2015 at 4:01:55 AM permalink | |
Dalex64 Member since: Mar 8, 2014 Threads: 3 Posts: 3687 | More logical fallacies. "Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts." Daniel Patrick Moynihan |
April 26th, 2015 at 8:20:28 AM permalink | |
rxwine Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 189 Posts: 18755 | I would probably say it has some compelling circumstantial evidence. That still leaves a sizable gap to proving it in a way acceptable to most skeptics. But it puts it farther along than many things (i.e., abominable snowmen, alien abduction, dice influencing) You believe in an invisible god, and dismiss people who say they are trans? Really? |
April 26th, 2015 at 11:56:39 AM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25011 |
Like they point out, a huge amount of the things we take for granted in medicine, for instance, are not proved. But there is a mountain of evidence they are true, so we trust in the evidence. We don't know exactly how a lot of drugs work, we just know they do. People go to prison all the time with nobody proving they did the crime, it's all circumstantial evidence. That's Christianity's failing. Not only is there no proof sin or god exist, there isn't even any evidence. None. They just wave their arms around and say god created all of this, and that makes it a fact to them. It's not a fact, it's just their faulty agenda driven opinion. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
April 27th, 2015 at 12:11:27 PM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25011 | Lots of articles about nature, nurture, and reincarnation. Many people seem to be born a certain way, no matter how they were nurtured as young kids. Reincarnation goes a long way in explaining this. A person is born with his previous nature intact, but not the memories, which are unimportant. It's our nature that defines who we are, and it follows us in life after life. It's our nature that is kind or criminal, happy or glum. It's our nature that makes us smile through adversity, or crumble like a house of cards. Our natures also evolve over time, some religions teach that when we've evolved enough, we no longer choose to be reborn. But that's religion talking, who knows what the truth is. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |