Pastor spends a year without God.
January 5th, 2015 at 10:35:01 PM permalink | |
rxwine Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 189 Posts: 18764 | While I like many of the old Bishop Sheen videos, I also like interesting perspectives.
More here: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/01/04/ryan-bell-atheist_n_6397336.html?cps=gravity_2444_6356341497867191293 Here's a link to his blog http://www.patheos.com/blogs/yearwithoutgod/ You believe in an invisible god, and dismiss people who say they are trans? Really? |
January 6th, 2015 at 4:24:01 AM permalink | |
Nareed Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 346 Posts: 12545 | It is rather gratifying when you see someone find salvation. Donald Trump is a one-term LOSER |
January 6th, 2015 at 5:40:04 AM permalink | |
FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 | Very interesting article. Here is one of my favorite quotes from it: "On the other hand, I recoil from a one-track-minded scientism that I sometimes encounter as though science has all the answers for every question that a person has ever asked. There is also a kind of smug condescension that is hard for me. I still have scores of Christian friends who are not dumb. Their faith is not like believing in Santa Claus. The more the atheist movement behaves like the traveling evangelists I encountered as a conservative Christian, the more I cringe and for the same reasons." - Ryan Bell It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures. ( |
January 6th, 2015 at 8:36:14 AM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25011 | "Id just say that the existence of God seems like an extra layer of complexity that isnt necessary. The world makes more sense to me as it is, without postulating a divine being who is somehow in charge of things." Somebody who wised himself up. Don't be surprised if he backslides in a year or two. God is a powerful drug, and he was hooked and dependent for a long time. He's been in rehab trying to kick the addiction for a year, and most rehabs don't work. The insidious Christian guilt will work on him now and if he keeps hanging out with his addicted friends, he hasn't got a chance. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
January 6th, 2015 at 8:45:26 AM permalink | |
FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 | Surely he will come back to his senses soon, but it won't be because of guilt. It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures. ( |
January 6th, 2015 at 8:52:03 AM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25011 |
Sure it will, what else. Guilt is the weapon that keeps them in the fold, keeps them addicted. He just came to 'his senses' and thinks he's cured, but he's not. God is a drug, books have been written on it. You don't see it because you're deep inside, just like a heroin junkie can't see his own addiction clearly. Oh well, he's not my problem, he never should have gone down the road to begin with. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
January 6th, 2015 at 9:02:29 AM permalink | |
FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 | Guilt does not have the staying power to keep people addicted. In the case of an addict it is their guilt that is trying to set them free. If truly allowed to feel their guilt like in a rehab center or detox it often leads to the first steps of recovery and change in their lives. So why do people go back to using after rehab, its not the guilt, its the joy. This is where the analogy breaks down because being a Christian is true deep seated joy and the "joy" of drugs is false and fleeting. Nevertheless it will be the peace and joy of Christianity that will bring him back. It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures. ( |
January 6th, 2015 at 10:44:15 AM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25011 |
You're joking. I've seen people addicted to alcohol for 30 years because of guilt. I've seen them destroy their lives and others because of guilt. The penal system depends heavily on guilt to make people lead crime free lives when they get out. Guilt is one on the longest lasting and strongest emotions we have. That's why the Church has always used it. Make someone feel guilt and they have no place to go with it. That's why Jesus is still hanging on the cross when you enter a Catholic church. The constant reminder of what he did 'for you', a constant source of guilt. My wife has even tried to do it to me, and she's a Baptist. "Don't you feel guilty that Jesus died for you and you don't even care?" Guilt is the grease that keeps the wheels of Christianity turning. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
January 6th, 2015 at 10:55:28 AM permalink | |
Nareed Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 346 Posts: 12545 |
He has come to his senses. he can't come back to where he is now ;) Donald Trump is a one-term LOSER |
January 6th, 2015 at 11:55:19 AM permalink | |
FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 |
There is no doubt guilt is painful and that is why Jesus came to set us free from guilt, I really don't know why you aren't seeing this. "For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the word, but that the world might be saved through Him." (John 3:17) "I have told you this so that my joy may be in you and your joy may be complete. This is my commandment; love one another as I love you. No one has greater love than this, to lay down one's life for one's friends. (John 16:11-13) My point is that the alcoholic drinks because at least for a brief time he can feel relief from that guilt, it gives him/her false joy and fleeting peace. The guilt when the hangover is over is only larger so we drink more to find more brief happiness. Jesus hanging on that cross is a reminder that He has already paid the price for your sin, you are set free, not briefly but eternally from your sin and guilt. Once you taste that total freedom from guilt that comes from forgiveness - that's the good stuff that will have you coming back for more. It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures. ( |