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"Cult of Mary"
| October 25th, 2015 at 4:53:26 PM permalink | |
| petroglyph Member since: Aug 3, 2014 Threads: 25 Posts: 6227 | What about artifacts deep within the Vatican? The last official act of any government is to loot the treasury. GW |
| October 25th, 2015 at 5:32:20 PM permalink | |
| Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 148 Posts: 25978 |
No, that's not it. Conversion, especially forced conversion, is the tried and true way to build the base of a religion. Throw in confiscation of property, like the Church did with the Jews, and you have a great business model for a growing church. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
| October 25th, 2015 at 5:36:23 PM permalink | |
| FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 | The Church grew as a persecuted underground movement of poor people and former fishermen. The power of the reality of Christ's Resurrection was so great that the religion grew because of the Gospel message and the witness of love from the followers of Jesus. I have no idea where or why you think forced conversions form the base of a religion? It certainly did not for Christianity. “It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” ( |
| October 25th, 2015 at 6:08:48 PM permalink | |
| Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 148 Posts: 25978 |
The biggest complaint from India about Mother Teresa was she constantly did unwanted conversions of people in the hostels she ran. They would be on their death beds and she would convert them even when they had no idea what she was saying. It made Indians furious and they're still furious about it. Of course it's a meaningless exercise, but that's not the point. Christians will often got to great lengths to force people into their religion, even today. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
| October 25th, 2015 at 6:21:12 PM permalink | |
| FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 | Forcing someone into religion is always wrong, Mother Teresa and everyone would agree with that. I find your intimate knowledge of what happened between Mother Teresa, her sisters, and the dying poor quite suprising. Could it be that these dying poorest of the poor who may have forgotten what it felt like to be loved asked these sisters for baptism and wanted to convert to whatever religion would inspire someone to give their life to serve the poorest of the poor and encounter the presence of Jesus in them. It might make Indians upset, but I think your insinuation that they were forced is ungrounded. “It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” ( |
| October 25th, 2015 at 6:34:51 PM permalink | |
| Dalex64 Member since: Mar 8, 2014 Threads: 3 Posts: 3687 | Informed consent. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Mother_Teresa See baptisms. If you agree to a blessing, that happens to be in the form of a baptism... "Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts." Daniel Patrick Moynihan |
| October 25th, 2015 at 6:54:42 PM permalink | |
| Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 148 Posts: 25978 |
Not surprising at all. I watched a few videos of Indian doctors who worked beside MT and saw her doing unwanted conversions all the time They were angry but could do nothing about it. It's odd you don't know about this, I've read it in many places. All lies I'm sure, according to the Church. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
| October 26th, 2015 at 7:30:28 AM permalink | |
| FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 | Of course I have heard the criticisms, but I think your phrase "unwanted conversions" is wrong. The people Mother Teresa and her sisters cared for desired baptism after experiencing the love of God through MT and her sisters. I'm glad you watched a few videos. I have many friends and others I know who worked with MT and many who still now volunteer at her homes in the area. They have never, ever seen an "unwanted conversion". “It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” ( |
| October 26th, 2015 at 8:11:03 AM permalink | |
| Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 148 Posts: 25978 |
Sigh. No they didn't, most of them didn't even know what it meant. Nobody explained it to them. You really need to get away from the Church dogma once in awhile and find out what really happened outside of the Church's flawed explanation for everything. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
| October 26th, 2015 at 8:42:00 AM permalink | |
| FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 | Double sigh. What is there to explain about baptism? Would you like to have all your sins forgiven and live forever in the joys of Heaven? Yes, please. These men and women who were lovingly cared for by Mother Teresa and her sisters when no one else would care for them would gladly accept such a gift. Would you not trust someone who picked you out of a gutter, washed you, feed you, and bandaged your wounds? Do you want these poor people to go through some theology class before they are baptized? You really need to think about these things before you accept whatever biased opinion you can find on the internet. “It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” ( |