Hong Kong protests

What eventually happens in China will be a combo
of what they have now and democracy. It will save
the world and change it. The US is quickly showing
that we have turned ourselves into a nation of fat slobs
with our hands outstretched for welfare. It will only
get worse till it breaks us eventually. The grand
experiment will go on the ash heap of history.

Quote: Evenbob

The Chinese know the minds of the Chinese
far better than anybody else. And there are
almost a billion of them. Not a few thousand
like we had in 1776. You have to rule with an
iron fist with that many people, and things
will eventually work out. China will rule the
world one day, it's inevitable. They are patient,
they aren't bogged down by religion, and
they are extremely smart. The world could do
worse.

China rule the world one day? Not going to happen. Their location alone makes it very hard. They have a better chance of breaking apart just as they have done several times in history. While the USA will be no more in 50-100 years what will happen is a breakdown of the nation-state as we know it. China peaked about 4-5 years ago, a crash is coming there and the pain will be felt worldwide.

Quote: AZDuffman

China rule the world one day? Not going to happen. Their location alone makes it very hard. They have a better chance of breaking apart just as they have done several times in history.

China has been pretty solid since 1644


China grew from 140 million in 1644 to roughly 330 million in 1800
USA grew from 35 thousand in 1644 to roughly 5.3 million in 1800
Europe grew from about 100 million to about 200 million.

Quote: AZDuffman

China rule the world one day? Not going to happen.

It's inevitable because they never quit. They
have a philosophy of patience that transcends
generations. And they're so damned smart.
They have the highest scores in the world in the
sciences. The West will decline, it has to.
It no longer has the will to dominate, and
the Chinese do. We're witnessing the meteoric
rise of the welfare class right now. You
think these people are going magically wake
up and be productive one day? They'll riot
and destroy the infrastructure before that
ever happens.

Quote: Evenbob

It's inevitable because they never quit. They
have a philosophy of patience that transcends
generations. And they're so damned smart.
They have the highest scores in the world in the
sciences. The West will decline, it has to.
It no longer has the will to dominate, and
the Chinese do. We're witnessing the meteoric
rise of the welfare class right now. You
think these people are going magically wake
up and be productive one day? They'll riot
and destroy the infrastructure before that
ever happens.

I don't know if China will rule the world one day but you right when it comes to teaching and learning science.
We have a real handicap in this country due to the conservative movement pushing science aside and teaching religion instead.

One huge social problem China is facing that may affect the stability of their society in the near future is due to 1 child policy and old stereotypes regarding gender of the only child you can have. Males way outnumber females to a great degree.

Quote: Pacomartin

China has been pretty solid since 1644.

China has spent most of its time since 1500 being either fragmented or dominated by outside nations.

Quote: Evenbob

It's inevitable because they never quit. They
have a philosophy of patience that transcends
generations. And they're so damned smart.
They have the highest scores in the world in the
sciences. The West will decline, it has to.
It no longer has the will to dominate, and
the Chinese do. We're witnessing the meteoric
rise of the welfare class right now. You
think these people are going magically wake
up and be productive one day? They'll riot
and destroy the infrastructure before that
ever happens.

Yes, they have high scores, but what does that get them? They have a society that is to put it simply not really creative. So they can knock off most products the west makes, or they can hack our systems. But to be dominate you need to create those products and systems.

The USA did well for several reasons, two were that we were located on both oceans and became the cross-roads of world trade. Another is that we were made up of 85% motivated people who either got fed up with and left or plain got thrown out of all the good countries. New ideas could take hold. China has neither of these.

Right now China is turning out junk for the Harbor Freights of the world and making little profit doing it. They buy US Treasuries because they do not get a good ROI in China. Eventually it will collapse.

Now, I do not deny it is over for the USA. We have too large a welfare class and too many people are hung up on class and racial pettiness they will not let themselves get over. Since the moon shots ended we by and large do not want to achieve things. Too many people want the government to protect themselves from anything that can go wrong in life.

When the USA collapses the navy that protects the water and the financial system that makes trade work end. And then the world moves to barter, and the delivery may or may not make it. At the moment no other nation has the desire and ability to replace that. In the end it may be our savings, like a crew of workers who hate the boss but none want to step up so they keep him in charge.

Quote: terapined

We have a real handicap in this country due to the conservative movement pushing science aside and teaching religion instead.
.

Nooooooooo, that's not it at all! It's because teachers
these days are poorly trained cretins, and kids are
coddled and spoiled brats. The education system has
been going downhill since the Lib unions took it over
in the 60's and 70's.

I remember PJ O'Rourke wrote in the 80's that when he
was in college in the late 60's, if he wanted to get laid,
always seek out girls who were education majors. He
said they were dumb as rocks and getting laid was almost
a sure thing.

I dated a couple of teachers in the 70's, how they ever got
thru college is a mystery.

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USA grew from 35 thousand in 1644 to roughly 5.3 million in 1800

@Pacomartin

Not to get picky, but...


https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20071225070828AAwDLJr

1492 there were about 15-18million north americans

Quote: petroglyph

@Pacomartin Not to get picky, but...

Of course. I guess I thought that was obvious in context.