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January 25th, 2018 at 9:44:13 PM permalink
boymimbo
Member since: Mar 25, 2013
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Sigh.

Fact: The Russian government attempted to sway the election for Trump via various campaigns online. Everyone except the Donald himself knows this.
Fact: Members of Trump's campaign met with Russians who had channels with Putin. This is in the public record.
Fact: Members of Trump's campaign have been charged and convicted of crimes. This is also in the public record.

Unknown: Trump's team colluded with the Russians to help them get elected. This is under investigation by multiple committees including Robert Mueller himself.

Bias doesn't change facts, no matter what any memo said. It's just a distraction. Attacking your own branches of government (the FBI) is a bad move that destroys public trust. This is a major branch of your own DoJ that you are talking about here.

Stop believing every word that comes out of Rush's and Alex Jones' mouth. I know people want to believe the deep State BS and that Obama's waiting to serve his third term. Ridonculous.
January 26th, 2018 at 2:26:46 AM permalink
Fleastiff
Member since: Oct 27, 2012
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Quote: boymimbo
Sigh.

Fact: The Russian government attempted to sway the election for Trump via various campaigns online..
So what? Everybody tried to sway the election. We have Radio Free Europe and do things ineffectively they have a zillion hackers and do things well, so what?
January 26th, 2018 at 6:03:50 AM permalink
beachbumbabs
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Quote: Fleastiff
So what? Everybody tried to sway the election. We have Radio Free Europe and do things ineffectively they have a zillion hackers and do things well, so what?


So what?? You're kidding with this comparison, right?

Radio Free Europe and Voice of America are definitely pro-American broadcasts; that's their purpose. But they self-identify as American based information outlets. Take it or leave it - change the channel, you're listening voluntarily.

Russia paid to put thousands of bots and people on Twitter, Facebook, other places, posing as partisan Americans, posting extreme, inflammatory, partisan statements, "liking" and retweeting each others messages, stealing and impersonating friend identities to spread their toxic information. Facebook reported some number like 120-130 million Americans saw/interacted with those accounts. Twitter has not released a number that I know of.

Russian operatives were creating fake pages of both left and right wing "American" "organizations ", ads, and affiliations populated with constant fake news streams, designed to go viral and freak people out.

Russian operatives hacked and tried to hack, and stole, and published private emails from the DNC, the RNC, the candidates, the state voting websites and databases, and other election-related sites.

This is all still under investigation. The extent, pervasiveness, tactics, breaches, all that is still unknown. The damage continues in the divisiveness, the lingering falsehoods and half-truths still being circulated, the erosion of trust in facts vs. spin, etc.

Not all wars are fought with guns.
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January 26th, 2018 at 6:50:57 AM permalink
AZDuffman
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Quote: beachbumbabs
The damage continues in the divisiveness, the lingering falsehoods and half-truths still being circulated, the erosion of trust in facts vs. spin, etc.


Sounds like the same thing the lamestream media in the USA does!
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January 26th, 2018 at 8:37:17 AM permalink
Fleastiff
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Quote: beachbumbabs
So what?? You're kidding with this comparison, right?
Well, I do admit that there are significant concerns about the scope of the activities and the fact that a foreign power was behind it, but zillions of cash-roots false-flag fronts bedevil American voters all the time. Elections, wars, millions of dollars, all of them the work of 'hidden persuaders'.
January 26th, 2018 at 12:46:20 PM permalink
terapined
Member since: Aug 6, 2014
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WTF is going on at USA Gymnastics
Hundreds of girls molested and nobody knew???????????
Seems like a lot of people turned a blind eye to what was going on simply to protect the organization
really sad
Have these organizations learned nothing from Penn State?
just shocking


More coming out of Michigan State
Not only did they cover up for Dr Nassar
They cover up all sexual assault cases
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/ncaafb/espn’s-otl-reports-michigan-state’s-problems-extend-to-the-football-program-too/ar-AAvdekv?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartandhp
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January 26th, 2018 at 1:22:12 PM permalink
petroglyph
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Quote: terapined
More coming out of Michigan State
Not only did they cover up for Dr Nassar
They cover up all sexual assault cases
Last I saw, there were over 120 girls came forward and exposed Nassar.

I can't imagine how it is possible, that management hadn't heard multiple complaints by the time the number got to 50, let alone broke a hundred.

Olympic mangers as well as Michigan need to go down hard on this one. Most of them. This has done unknowable damage to Olympic sports and of course young women wanting to compete in them.

Aw snap, managers not mangers.
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January 26th, 2018 at 1:29:54 PM permalink
Fleastiff
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One victim commented that her mother is still being billed for the molestation sessions,

Unless there is a formal complaint I'm sure this stuff gets buried. Its so much easier to pass off a comment as rumor mongering or vague rather than actually deal with the situation,
January 26th, 2018 at 1:30:53 PM permalink
rxwine
Member since: Oct 24, 2012
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Quote: petroglyph
Last I saw, there were over 120 girls came forward and exposed Nassar.

I can't imagine how it is possible, that management hadn't heard multiple complaints by the time the number got to 50, let alone broke a hundred.

Olympic mangers as well as Michigan need to go down hard on this one. Most of them. This has done unknowable damage to Olympic sports and of course young women wanting to compete in them.


It's easy to guess why some of it gets overlooked. People go in thinking the approved physician for Olympic team who has worked for many years in the position can't possibly be doing something untoward.

Same as the coach for Penn State. He couldn't have known, because he is well-respected.

Sometimes it is true, sometimes it sure helps people get away with things. Girls and parents are hesitant to make waves as competiveness of just getting to the Olympics is fierce.
You believe in an invisible god, and dismiss people who say they are trans? Really?
January 27th, 2018 at 8:40:47 PM permalink
Dalex64
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President Trump ordered aides to smear potential FBI witnesses who could confirm he tried to fire Mueller: report

http://www.nydailynews.com/amp/news/politics/trump-ordered-aides-smear-fbi-witnesses-report-article-1.3782875

Is it obstruction of justice yet, or a paranoid egotistical cover-up? If this is true, does that mean he knows what he tried to do was wrong?
If he knows what he tried to do was wrong, isn't trying to cover it up trying to hide his guilt?

Or is the NY daily news an enquirer-like tabloid? (Elon Musk selling flamethrowers?)
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