Original Sin?
January 17th, 2019 at 2:19:07 AM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25010 |
Of course it was meant to be taken literally. Why write it otherwise, These were extremely superstitious people, they were ruled by the supernatural. We're now ruled by science, the old useless ways are dead and gone. Except to the spiritually ignorant, of course. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
January 17th, 2019 at 4:25:01 AM permalink | |
FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 |
Don't be so hard on yourself Bob. You are spiritually ignorant but I don't think it is all your fault. Something obviously happened to make you so angry and closed minded concerning God. Everything that is written is not always meant to be taken literally. Like when you say "they were ruled by the supernatural." You don't actually mean that some person , The Supernatural, ruled over the people. You also don't mean that there was no scientific knowledge at the time and that they believed everything was magic or a god. You are using hyperbole and exaggeration to make a point because not everything is to be taken literally. “It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” ( |
January 17th, 2019 at 6:09:01 AM permalink | |
aceofspades Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 83 Posts: 2019 |
This is typical in religions - to pick and choose which ancient texts should be taken as literal versus which are to be taken as allegory |
January 17th, 2019 at 9:20:10 AM permalink | |
Dalex64 Member since: Mar 8, 2014 Threads: 3 Posts: 3687 |
I've pointed that out a few times. Here's an example: https://answersingenesis.org/genesis/did-bible-authors-believe-in-a-literal-genesis/
that was probably a protestant view. here are a few catholic views: https://www.catholiceducation.org/en/controversy/answering-atheists/how-to-read-the-first-chapter-of-genesis.html
Even with that, there are some catholic and protestant beliefs that are taken as literal truth from the bible that fly in the face of science, yet the simplest of statements, about mustard seeds, snakes, and poisons, are categorized as not attempting to be literally true. "Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts." Daniel Patrick Moynihan |
January 17th, 2019 at 10:14:05 AM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25010 |
The NT can mean anything you want it to mean, pick what you like and ignore the rest. FrG loves to chortle about how long Xtionity has been around. That's because it changes all the time to fit the times. And because there are 2500 different versions, and counting. I prefer the version where its made up bullshite nonsense. Prove me wrong.. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
January 17th, 2019 at 10:48:56 AM permalink | |
FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 | The one who has been around the longest, from the beginning, has not changed and that's Catholicism. I can see what you mean though. When anyone can just pick and chose whatever they want to believe and their own personal interpretation it gets crazy. It is essential to have an authority or an official author who can clearly articulate what is what. That, of course, is the Church that put the Bible together in the first place. “It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” ( |
January 19th, 2019 at 5:00:54 AM permalink | |
aceofspades Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 83 Posts: 2019 |
But see 1 Corinthians 2:11 For who knows a person’s thoughts except the spirit of that person, which is in him? So also no one comprehends the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God.
Exactly! |
January 19th, 2019 at 10:46:15 AM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25010 |
Good ol circular logic again. You can't prove a person even has a 'spirit', but if he does then the god you invent must have one too. And why would your spirit know your thoughts anyway. I'm having my thoughts and I can barely keep up with them, let alone know what they all mean. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
January 20th, 2019 at 1:08:08 AM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25010 | Christians love to brag about their religion. How it spread all over the world because the word of Jesus was so wonderful. That's not what happened at all. Christianity is the Standard Oil of religions. At one time Standard Oil supplied over 90% of the worlds kerosene. That's how Standard Oil started, by selling kerosene. Before there were cars and gasoline. The owner of Standard Oil, John Rockefeller, was ruthless. His people would go into a town were there was another kerosene manufacturer and offer to buy him out. If he refused, Standard Oil would open up a branch in that town and undercut his prices so the competitor was forced to go out of business. Eventually Standard Oil was a monopoly by getting rid of all the competition. They ruled the world in kerosene sales. The Catholic Church is no different than Standard Oil. In the early days they would go into a small town and forcefully convert the pagans. They would tear down their churches and temples, destroy their statues, and wipe out any sign the religion was ever there. This went on for hundreds of years until the only religion that was left in Europe was Christianity and Judaism. And of course the Christians went after the Jews to forcefully convert them. This is all well documented history, you can look it up anywhere. So yeah, Christianity has been around for a long time because for hundreds and hundreds of years it was the only game in town. They had a forced monopoly, just like Standard Oil did. It has nothing to do with the Holy Spirit or the words of Jesus or anything some God wanted. It was the result of brute force. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
January 20th, 2019 at 5:21:33 AM permalink | |
FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 | You can tell this is a quote of some kind because it is a different style than Evenbob uses. Does he want to take credit for this quote and pretend it's his? Notice the quote blithely says this is historical fact without any proof. What this really is: a desperate tired myth to explain away the miracle of Christianity and it's spread as well as its impact on humanity. Bob's fake argument here is without merit. “It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” ( |