The Violence From The Left Thread

Quote: Gandler

Yes, that could be rocks grinding against each other in certain ways when moving through the atmosphere at certain points, throw in weather and all kinds of other factors. Even with no life at all, planets are not stagnant.

Rocks moving thru the atmosphere? Do you hear what you are saying?

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I am not trying to sound insulting, but your take on evolution is not compelling. For one thing most species don't have male and female (especially when looking beyond animals, at all life, plants, fungi, bacteria, etc...). Many animals evolved to have male/females being separate organisms. But, it is not critical, and many don't. There is a reason that this is evolutionary advantageous. Maybe two partners working together increases the survival of the offspring? Maybe it forces socializing (unlike species that can literally do everything themselves so to speak.) Probably a large combination of reasons beyond what I understand. But, males and females did not exist from the start, this is hundreds of millions of years of slow change.

It does not have to be the majority. It has to do with how would male and female happen? And how over so many species? One day asexual reproduction then the next day male and female? Really?

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Why is a higher power good? Does it mean you only behave well if there is somebody who can punish you if you don't?

Well, for starters if you do not believe in a higher power then you cannot believe in natural human rights. For if not the higher power then any "rights" come from man and are at the discretion of man. So....that.....

Quote: AZDuffman

Rocks moving thru the atmosphere? Do you hear what you are saying?

Yes, and I think anyone who has even a basic understanding knows what I mean. Rocks floating around space, colliding with planets, you know like meteors, space debris, etc..

Quote: AZDuffman

It does not have to be the majority. It has to do with how would male and female happen? And how over so many species? One day asexual reproduction then the next day male and female? Really?

Not in one day, this happens over a long period of time (talking hundreds of thousands or more of years for such gradual shifts.)

Quote: AZDuffman

Well, for starters if you do not believe in a higher power then you cannot believe in natural human rights. For if not the higher power then any "rights" come from man and are at the discretion of man. So....that.....

Not necessarily. First you have to determine if natural human rights existing matters, and even if it does, you can have secular based natural human rights. In fact if you need religion for natural human rights that is a problem, because if/when your religion gets proven beyond any argument to be false, you can no longer support such human rights. Human rights should only be based on secular ethics.

You keep the thread hijack up but I guess one more reply here....

Quote: Gandler

Yes, and I think anyone who has even a basic understanding knows what I mean. Rocks floating around space, colliding with planets, you know like meteors, space debris, etc..

Rocks in space have to do with earth how? And why would two rocks colliding produce life?

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Not in one day, this happens over a long period of time (talking hundreds of thousands or more of years for such gradual shifts.)

Still does not explain how asexual reproduction becomes sexual reproduction. And no reason it would happen.

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Not necessarily. First you have to determine if natural human rights existing matters, and even if it does, you can have secular based natural human rights. In fact if you need religion for natural human rights that is a problem, because if/when your religion gets proven beyond any argument to be false, you can no longer support such human rights. Human rights should only be based on secular ethics.

Once you say "natural rights" you concede there is a higher power giving those rights. I realize you are a mouth-breathing theophobic bigot who thinks they will lose there cred among their peers if they even admit there *might* be a higher power, but cannot you see how simple this all is? No higher power = no natural human rights as the "rights" are just what the most powerful human group says they are.

Quote: AZDuffman

Rocks in space have to do with earth how? And why would two rocks colliding produce life?

Pretty similar to how lightning hit just the correct combination of things on a primordial beach to create the first amino acid, aka the building block of life.

The heat and pressure of collision n space could theoretically lead to the formation of an amino acid, if the correct components were present.

What, did you flunk high school biology?

Quote: missedhervee

Pretty similar to how lightning hit just the correct combination of things on a primordial beach to create the first amino acid, aka the building block of life.

The heat and pressure of collision n space could theoretically lead to the formation of an amino acid, if the correct components were present.

What, did you flunk high school biology?

And all of this led to the diversity of life we have now? Turn off your bigotry and open up your mind.

We have no experience of the universe beginning to exist and thus cannot extrapolate the rule of "everything has a cause" to the universe's origin itself.

Does a chicken born in an enclosed factory farm know how the rest of the world works? No, everything it knows is inside the factory farm. Just as everyone who lives within the Universe only knows that everything within the universe works a certain way.

So, it does not follow that the Universe itself must have a cause. Because we can’t know, but what’s in the Universe.

Just as the chicken would be making the wrong assumption based on all it can know, the Universe doesn’t necessarily have a cause.

The above is paraphrasing David Hume’s argument.

Quote: AZDuffman

And all of this led to the diversity of life we have now? Turn off your bigotry and open up your mind.

Let me guess: you don't believe in evolution and natural selection?

Do you even comprehend the meaning of the terms?

Do you seriously believe that some invisible god created man in man's current form (as the fairy tale bible says) or do you have a lick of common sense and accept the fact that we evolved?

Quote: missedhervee

Let me guess: you don't believe in evolution and natural selection?

Do you even comprehend the meaning of the terms?

Do you seriously believe that some invisible god created man in man's current form (as the fairy tale bible says) or do you have a lick of common sense and accept the fact that we evolved?

Natural selection, mostly. Exceptions like yourself still survive, so it is no perfect.

Evolution? If we came from apes, why do we still have apes? Fish did not learn to fly, etc.

Yes, I believe a superior God created us. It is not exact like in the Bible. He created using influence, that to people who think they are smart but generally are not think was random rocks flying thru the air, etc. But you cannot convince me that the wonder of life from man's intelligence to animal instinct is all some kind of random just happened.

Quote: AZDuffman

Evolution? If we came from apes, why do we still have apes? Fish did not learn to fly, etc.

Maybe ask ai your questions. Like so.

If we came from apes, why do we still have apes?

A shared ancestor: Humans and modern apes share a common ancestor that was neither human nor identical to any modern ape.
Divergent paths: This ancestor population split into different groups that followed different evolutionary paths based on their environment and selective pressures.

Different outcomes: One group evolved into early hominids, which eventually led to Homo sapiens. Another group continued to evolve on its own path into modern apes like chimpanzees and gorillas.

A branching tree: Evolution is not a linear process of one species turning into another, but a branching process where a common ancestor can give rise to multiple new species over time.

Evolutionary "cousins": Because of this branching, modern apes are not our ancestors, but our evolutionary cousins. They are not "stuck" in an earlier stage of evolution; they are successful species that have continued to adapt to their own environments.

Quote: AZDuffman

Natural selection, mostly. Exceptions like yourself still survive, so it is no perfect.

How does natural selection occur without evolution?

Quote: AZDuffman

Evolution? If we came from apes, why do we still have apes? Fish did not learn to fly, etc.

Come on man, you are not some redneck, you have an education and are very literate. You know perfectly well that this is not how evolution works. This weird game where you play dumb with definitions and basic theories is absurd.

Quote: AZDuffman

Yes, I believe a superior God created us. It is not exact like in the Bible. He created using influence, that to people who think they are smart but generally are not think was random rocks flying thru the air, etc. But you cannot convince me that the wonder of life from man's intelligence to animal instinct is all some kind of random just happened.

Yes weather, space, and conditions intersecting to cause life is certainly more absurd than thinking some bronze age poets determined how the world formed without even knowing the world was round...