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Quote: missedhervee

Nope, wrong again: they weren't "partners" at all.

The initial Soviet invasion and occupation of the Baltic states began in June 1940 under the Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact, made between the Soviet Union and Nazi .

They made a pact, which makes them partners. Kind of the thing they teach in the first year of law school. Actually undergrad law classes.

The USSR is just as responsible for starting WWII as Germany.

A non-agression pact does not mean they were allies: It simply means they agree not to attack each other.

Germany did in fact first invade Poland which led to England and France declaring war against Germany on Sept. 3rd.

Germany invaded Poland Sept. 1st; the Soviets then opportunistically invaded Poland later, on September 17,1939.

Had Germany in fact been allied with Germany on Sept. 1st, England and France would have declared war onthe Soviet Union also, and of course that never happened.

The Soviet Union clearly was not responsible for starting / beginning WWII, but they rode on the Krauts' coat tails.

Quote: missedhervee

A non-agression pact does not mean they were allies: It simply means they agree not to attack each other.

Germany did in fact first invade Poland which led to England and France declaring war against Germany on Sept. 3rd.

Germany invaded Poland Sept. 1st; the Soviets then opportunistically invaded Poland later, on September 17,1939.

Had Germany in fact been allied with Germany on Sept. 1st, England and France would have declared war onthe Soviet Union also, and of course that never happened.

The Soviet Union clearly was not responsible for starting / beginning WWII, but they rode on the Krauts' coat tails.

No, they were clearly one of the powers that started WWII. They do not have to be allies or even worked in concert in that war. Japan and Germany barely did anything together yet both started it. Did you get your history degree at UAS as well as going to law school there? You seem to know little about what it was all about.

You said they started WWII.

I pointed out that it started Sept 1st.

The Soviets invaded weeks later.

Of course they were preparing for and wanted war but they didn't in fact "start" it as you claim.

All your lame insults will not change the fact that you are just plain WRONG.

Quote: missedhervee

You said they started WWII.

I pointed out that it started Sept 1st.

The Soviets invaded weeks later.

Of course they were preparing for and wanted war but they didn't in fact "start" it as you claim.

All your lame insults will not change the fact that you are just plain WRONG.

Actually it started before that if you were in Asia. All your lame insults will not change the fact that you are clueless on this. You were proven wrong and now throw your own insults to cover it up. As a liberal (no matter what you claim to be) you will never put the USSR in the wrong. Sorry, Charlie, they are just as responsible as Hitler for starting WWII no matter the exact date their military operations started.

I think I know what happened. You cut class the day they taught history in history class!

They say ignorance is bliss: you must be ecstatic, arguing as you do that the Soviet Union "started" WWII.

Sure, they wanted it, and sure, they buddied up to a degree with Hitler, but by definition WWII was "started" by the Germans, not the Soviets.

The Germans attacked Sept. 1, the Soviets a few weeks later.

Why is that so hard for you to grasp?

But let's ask Google.,,.

Q: Who started WWII?

A: "According to historical consensus, Nazi Germany, under the leadership of Adolf Hitler, started World War II by invading Poland on September 1, 1939, which prompted France and Great Britain to declare war on Germany, marking the official beginning of the conflict.
Key points about the start of WWII:

Aggressor: Nazi Germany
Leader: Adolf Hitler
Triggering event: Invasion of Poland on September 1, 1939

World War II - Wikipedia
World War II is generally considered to have begun on 1 September 1939, when Nazi Germany, under Adolf Hitler, invaded Poland, lea...
Wikipedia

How Did Adolf Hitler Happen? | The National WWII Museum | New Orleans
Upon achieving power, Hitler smashed the nation's democratic institutions and transformed Germany into a war state intent on conqu...
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World War II Facts - FDR Presidential Library & Museum
World War II formally began on September 1, 1939 when Germany invaded Poland without a formal declaration of war. In support of th...
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BTW, where the hell do you get off thinking I have a soft spot for the Russians?

You might be confusing me for your hero, the orange oaf.

Quote: missedhervee

They say ignorance is bliss: you must be ecstatic, arguing as you do that the Soviet Union "started" WWII.

Sure, they wanted it, and sure, they buddied up to a degree with Hitler, but by definition WWII was "started" by the Germans, not the Soviets.

The Germans attacked Sept. 1, the Soviets a few weeks later.

Why is that so hard for you to grasp?

Because history says otherwise. Lots of it has been whitewashed because the USSR fought on our side. Academics who are often left wing with a soft spot for the USSR have fooled people like you.

What is this nonsense about being "fooled?"

How can there be any misunderstanding as to who first attacked and "started" the war?

Are you seriously saying that "left wing academics" "whitewashed" the facts to...what, exactly?

To hide that the Soviets attacked prior to Sept. 1st?

Wars "start" at the first attack, the first hostile action: I am not surprised that you disbelieve reality: hell, you're probably one of those clowns that believes the 2020 election was stolen.

There is no "point" in arguing with you but it really is a hoot to see you squirm, your beliefs discredited.

Quote: missedhervee

What is this nonsense about being "fooled?"

How can there be any misunderstanding as to who first attacked and "started" the war?

Are you seriously saying that "left wing academics" "whitewashed" the facts to...what, exactly?

To hide that the Soviets attacked prior to Sept. 1st?

Wars "start" at the first attack, the first hostile action: I am not surprised that you disbelieve reality: hell, you're probably one of those clowns that believes the 2020 election was stolen.

There is no "point" in arguing with you but it really is a hoot to see you squirm, your beliefs discredited.

Duffman acting like he was asked for complex causes of the war and not the actual question asked. He wasn't, so he's wrong. He probably still suffering the trauma for failing Junior High history.

Another hastily slapped together failure. What's to worry, Trump has no problem with illegal actions. He always makes sure people get paid. (smirk)

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