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While losers are worried about Epstein, Trump announces huge new trade deal with EU! Between EU and Japan we have $1 Trillion in investments coming to the USA.

MAGA!

Quote: AZDuffman

While losers are worried about Epstein, Trump announces huge new trade deal with EU! Between EU and Japan we have $1 Trillion in investments coming to the USA

here are some of the downsides to the tariffs:

Higher costs for consumers and businesses: Tariffs are effectively a tax on imports, which businesses may pass on to consumers in the form of higher prices for goods like cars, apparel, and electronics.

Negative impact on the overall economy: Studies suggest tariffs can reduce overall economic output (GDP), lower wages, and potentially lead to job losses in some sectors.

Risk of trade wars and retaliation: Tariffs often provoke retaliatory measures from other countries, potentially harming US export-oriented industries and making it harder for US businesses to compete in global markets.

Important considerations

Long-term vs. short-term effects: The full impact of tariffs can take time to manifest, and initial positive effects in some sectors might be offset by negative consequences in the long run.

Distributional effects: Tariffs can disproportionately affect lower-income households, as they tend to spend a larger portion of their income on imported goods.

Influence of other economic factors: It's challenging to isolate the precise impact of tariffs from other simultaneous economic events and policies.

In conclusion

While tariffs may offer some potential benefits in terms of revenue generation and support for specific domestic industries, they also carry significant risks and potential downsides for the US economy as a whole.

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Quote: PotPie

here are some of the downsides to the tariffs:

Higher costs for consumers and businesses: Tariffs are effectively a tax on imports, which businesses may pass on to consumers in the form of higher prices for goods like cars, apparel, and electronics.

Negative impact on the overall economy: Studies suggest tariffs can reduce overall economic output (GDP), lower wages, and potentially lead to job losses in some sectors.

Risk of trade wars and retaliation: Tariffs often provoke retaliatory measures from other countries, potentially harming US export-oriented industries and making it harder for US businesses to compete in global markets.

Important considerations

Long-term vs. short-term effects: The full impact of tariffs can take time to manifest, and initial positive effects in some sectors might be offset by negative consequences in the long run.

Distributional effects: Tariffs can disproportionately affect lower-income households, as they tend to spend a larger portion of their income on imported goods.

Influence of other economic factors: It's challenging to isolate the precise impact of tariffs from other simultaneous economic events and policies.

In conclusion

While tariffs may offer some potential benefits in terms of revenue generation and support for specific domestic industries, they also carry significant risks and potential downsides for the US economy as a whole.

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It is so funny to hear the same liberals who vote for pols who promise to raise taxes cry about tariffs.

Well over a trillion dollars in investment coming, and unlike Biden it is not government money. MAGA!

Quote: AZDuffman

Well over a trillion dollars in investment coming,

that's not new investments

there were already trillions invested in the U.S. economy before Trump started with his tariff game

the 3 year return on the S&P 500 is 61.05%

the 5 year return on the S&P 500 is 98.67%

think about it

the economy was doing well before Trump dreamed of tariffs to create an illusion that he's doing something great

the tariffs for him is just another hustle - a shell game

here are the returns of the S&P 500 during the Biden years - most financial analysts see the stock market's performance as indicative of the economy's health

the 2022 decline was partially due to the pandemic -


2024 25.02
2023 26.29
2022 -18.11
2021 28.71

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Quote: PotPie

that's not new investments

there were already trillions invested in the U.S. economy before Trump started with his tariff game

the 3 year return on the S&P 500 is 61.05%

the 5 year return on the S&P 500 is 98.67%

think about it

the economy was doing extremely well before Trump dreamed of tariffs to create an illusion that he's doing something great

the tariffs for him is just another hustle - a shell game

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This will be new investment. The S&P has nothing to do with it.

You cannot handle that Trump is making people like you look like fools.

Quote: AZDuffman

This will be new investment. The S&P has nothing to do with it.

no, it won't be new investment - not most of it

the U.S. exported over $2 Trillion worth of goods and services in 2024

In 2024, the total business in the U.S. economy, measured by nominal GDP, was $29.185 trillion. This represents the total value of all goods and services produced in the U.S. during that year.

and people like you are too ignorant to realize that a strong upward movement of the stock market (of which the S&P 500 is the standard most often referred to) is an indication of a healthy economy

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Quote: PotPie

no, it won't be new investment - not most of it

the U.S. exported over $2 Trillion worth of goods and services in 2024

In 2024, the total business in the U.S. economy, measured by nominal GDP, was $29.185 trillion. This represents the total value of all goods and services produced in the U.S. during that year.

and people like you are too ignorant to realize that a strong upward movement of the stock market (of which the S&P 500 is the standard most often referred to) is an indication of a healthy economy

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Based on what? You saying it is not new?

You do not need Trump to make a fool of you, you do it yourself.

Quote: AZDuffman

Based on what? You saying it is not new?

You do not need Trump to make a fool of you, you do it yourself.

Forget trying to argue with him. There is NOTHING Trump can do that he will admit is a win for our country. He starts with his brain having it axiomatic that if Trump did it it is bad.

I love that these trade deals (EU, Japan) include REASONABLE tariffs. Enough to give our local producers an edge, and enough to bring real revenue to the Federal government. But the Dims are focused on whether Trump signed an Epstein birthday card. And they wonder why they got smoked last election!

Quote: SOOPOO

I love that these trade deals (EU, Japan) include REASONABLE tariffs. Enough to give our local producers an edge, and enough to bring real revenue to the Federal government. But the Dims are focused on whether Trump signed an Epstein birthday card. And they wonder why they got smoked last election!

Look at how it used to be. We would have a "round" of trade talks with 100+ nations. It would take a decade or so. It was one-size-fits-all. Now, we need a certain amount of that. But probably not as much as years gone by. Obama called for a new round, probably more because he wanted it to be called the "Obama Round" that to really get anything done.

Pols like Obama don't want to do things, they want to look like they are doing things. Big meetings in big places. Trump, OTOH, has followed a formula. First, isolate each nation. Different tariffs for different places. Next, let them feel a bit of pain and see that we are serious. Then intense negotiations on a broad scale. Deals mean the USA gets to collect a tariff, they do not, probably to make up for labor cost differences. Also either investment in the USA, extreme access and goals for American goods, or both. Finally, sign a deal and alert the media.

And the biggie: Isolate China out of it. We seem to be making secret "you are with them or you are with us" deals. Results will take a few years, but expect China to be on the ropes by 2030.

Just a few nations left to have all that really matter. Minor players will simply fall in line.

Quote: SOOPOO

Forget trying to argue with him. There is NOTHING Trump can do that he will admit is a win for our country. He starts with his brain having it axiomatic that if Trump did it it is bad.

I love that these trade deals (EU, Japan) include REASONABLE tariffs. Enough to give our local producers an edge, and enough to bring real revenue to the Federal government. But the Dims are focused on whether Trump signed an Epstein birthday card. And they wonder why they got smoked last election!

SooPoo, can you point to your contemporaneous statements decrying the whole Epstein thing when it was MAGA and JD amplifying the presumed presence of a client list? Or are you just a Johnny-Come-Lately?

Also, and I've asked this before, where is the line with Donny's conduct that make him unsuitable to be President?? How far does his bad decision making have to go before you think he needs to go