Upcoming Presidential Debate

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Trump chickening out from doing another debate - see link
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There are no more debates scheduled so not chickening out from anything. Why debate 3 people when Kamala only has to debate one?

I was cleaning up some of my backup files from a few years back and completely forgot about my homies at Diversity Tomorrow.

And since I'm here, I had to take a look at this thread. It's good to see that AZ is still AZ, SooPoo is still reasonable, and AMS's meme game is still strong.

aintnutinchanged aintnutinchanged

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Generally good points.

Thank you!

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But I consider a campaign ‘promise’ that denies the reality of the political constraints and is 100% undeliverable a LIE. And should have been fact checked with the same intensity as Trumps’ lies.

Are they “lies” told in order to earn votes or aspirations and goals to be achieved while in office?
Donny’s lies were so outrageous they deserved immediate scrutiny and immediate challenge. And I dare you to equate “they’re eating dogs” to anything Kamala said on that stage.

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The moderator could have easily asked at EVERY TURN, ‘Ms. Harris, if you wanted that, why did it not happen during the Biden/Harris administration? What magic is going to happen when Biden/Harris becomes Harris/Walz?’

And that would’ve been a completely fine question, and at some point VERY soon, Kamala is going to have to come up with a palatable answer. But her future goals for her Presidency aren’t lies.

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As far as the 20,000 Haitians all being here legally, I’ll leave you with a policy question…. Do you think the pre-existing 60,000 non Haitians in the town are happy and would support the policy that led to the mess many locals are complaining about?

What policy would that be? The Temporary Protected Status policy? Well, the landlords are happy-they pay rent. The employers are happy-they work hard and are productive. The IRS is happy-they pay taxes. All indications are the Haitians have caused something of an economic revitalization of the city. And if people aren’t happy with immigrants who wish to flee violence, work hard to earn a decent wage and raise their families, I say “fuck you” to those people, and would tell them to grow the eff up.

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That’s a HUGE additional tax burden on any community. Please don’t say you don’t understand that they are using FAR more resources than they generate. And you know who picks up the tab…

So? The immigrants of today are the workers of tomorrow, and are the citizens in 5 years from now. Their children are the scholars and soldiers and scientists and doctors and leaders in a generation. And that’s fine by me. I accept America as a nation of immigrants, even if you don’t. And don’t give me any bull about we should only accept “legal” immigrants. The Haitians in Springfield, OH ARE legal immigrants. And neither you nor Donny or the GOP in general accept them.

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You expect a city official to tell the truth? How about the mayors of major cities decrying the crushing influx of illegal aliens? That the costs are staggering.

See answer above. Again, do you have any basis to call the city manager of Springfield, OH a liar?

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Thank you!

Are they “lies” told in order to earn votes or aspirations and goals to be achieved while in office?
Donny’s lies were so outrageous they deserved immediate scrutiny and immediate challenge. And I dare you to equate “they’re eating dogs” to anything Kamala said on that stage.

And that would’ve been a completely fine question, and at some point VERY soon, Kamala is going to have to come up with a palatable answer. But her future goals for her Presidency aren’t lies.

What policy would that be? The Temporary Protected Status policy? Well, the landlords are happy-they pay rent. The employers are happy-they work hard and are productive. The IRS is happy-they pay taxes. All indications are the Haitians have caused something of an economic revitalization of the city. And if people aren’t happy with immigrants who wish to flee violence, work hard to earn a decent wage and raise their families, I say “fuck you” to those people, and would tell them to grow the eff up.

So? The immigrants of today are the workers of tomorrow, and are the citizens in 5 years from now. Their children are the scholars and soldiers and scientists and doctors and leaders in a generation. And that’s fine by me. I accept America as a nation of immigrants, even if you don’t. And don’t give me any bull about we should only accept “legal” immigrants. The Haitians in Springfield, OH ARE legal immigrants. And neither you nor Donny or the GOP in general accept them.

See answer above. Again, do you have any basis to call the city manager of Springfield, OH a liar?

Totally agree with the response
It's as if soopoo is repeating Trumps anti immigration BS. Springfield is a huge success story. Of course there are problems with a growing city but on the flip side city revenue is up. This is what America is all about. Growing businesses need workers and it attracts Immigrants. That's how the US has worked since inception.
I'm camped in Raton NM
It's a dying city with boarded up closed businesses downtown. It's incredibly depressing. No doubt this town would love to be like Springfield, a growing vibrant city with no shuttered businesses

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As far as the 20,000 Haitians all being here legally, I’ll leave you with a policy question…. Do you think the pre-existing 60,000 non Haitians in the town are happy and would support the policy that led to the mess many locals are complaining about? That’s a HUGE additional tax burden on any community. Please don’t say you don’t understand that they are using FAR more resources than they generate. And you know who picks up the tab…

This is gross.

Maybe research some facts before spewing racist nonsense.

Here is an interesting Reddit post from three months ago:



https://www.reddit.com/r/springfieldOH/comments/1deo3rx/my_perspective_on_the_haitian_problem/?rdt=47368

This whole Haitian immigrant thing has confirmed something we all already knew: republicans are racist pieces of shi+.

They have dropped the anti-DEI, anti-CRT, anti-“woke” dog whistles and whipped out the bull horn.

These aren’t illegal immigrants. They did the right thing and followed the rules, what the righties always pretend they want from immigrants. But the sight of non-white people has caused them to finally rip off the white hood and shout their racism for everyone to see.

It’s refreshing in a way. We don’t have to pretend anymore that all the dumbasses complaining about immigration are anything but racist d-bags.

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This whole Haitian immigrant thing has confirmed something we all already knew: republicans are racist pieces of shi+.

They have dropped the anti-DEI, anti-CRT, anti-“woke” dog whistles and whipped out the bull horn.

These aren’t illegal immigrants. They did the right thing and followed the rules, what the righties always pretend they want from immigrants. But the sight of non-white people has caused them to finally rip off the white hood and shout their racism for everyone to see.

It’s refreshing in a way. We don’t have to pretend anymore that all the dumbasses complaining about immigration are anything but racist d-bags.

The racists are so out of control, schools in Springfield are closed due to bomb threats.
I find it shocking that Soopoo buys this Haitian hate
If you want the economy to grow, then what's happening in Springfield is fabulous
There is a massive Amazon facility in Springfield.
They hire lots of Haitians
No surprise to me. Foreign born work hard. It's the smart company move increasing profits
I also own more Amazon stock then any other stock
Amazon grows, that helps the economy and the rising stock makes me money
Being against Haitians in Springfield is anti business

I directly challenge SooPoo to accept as objectively true that the vast majority of Haitians living in Springfield, OH are legal immigrants, for which there is no reliable evidence based on any legal standard that they are eating dogs or cats.

If he cannot do so, I directly challenge him to present evidence, personally known to him that the majority are illegal immigrants or they are eating pets.

I directly challenge him to present evidence that the City Manager of Springfield, OH is lying about this topic.

Biden in denial about his racism.

When he got caught doing what he does best, then he let in 320,000 Haitians, 20,000 of which were in one small town.

Desperately trying to cover-up his racism, his lack of common sense of flooding one town was too much for the town's small system.



"...they chained us like animals — our hands, feet and waist — and once we arrived, they unchained us so journalists wouldn’t see us,...”

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Biden’s Expulsion of Haitian Migrants Is Racist, Illegal — and Trumpian

October 2, 2021

Marjorie Cohn is professor emerita at Thomas Jefferson School of Law, dean of the People’s Academy of International Law and past president of the National Lawyers Guild. She sits on the national advisory boards of Assange Defense and Veterans For Peace. A member of the bureau of the International Association of Democratic Lawyers, she is the U.S. representative to the continental advisory council of the Association of American Jurists. Her books include Drones and Targeted Killing: Legal, Moral and Geopolitical Issues.
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Biden’s denial is reminiscent of that of Barack Obama, who reacted to the 6,700-page report of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence that documented a widespread program of U.S. torture by saying that torture “is contrary to who we are.”

But like torture, vicious beatings of Black people have been sanctioned by the state throughout U.S. history. “The images of U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) and Department of Homeland Security (DHS) agents on horseback whipping and assaulting Haitian refugees blatantly display the clear historical relationship between slavery and modern immigration policy, policing, and the carceral state,” the National Lawyers Guild said in a statement.

The Biden administration has expelled more than 4,600 Haitian migrants from the United States since September 19, conducting 43 flights from Del Rio, Texas, to Haiti, which is still reeling from its recent devastating earthquake, flooding from a tropical storm and a presidential assassination. Most of the people in the Haitian capital of Port-au-Prince have no access to drinking water, electricity or garbage collection.
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https://truthout.org/articles/bidens-expulsion-of-haitian-migrants-is-racist-illegal-and-trumpian/

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RFK Jr. Exposes Joe Biden’s Racist Past in Viral Black History Month Post

February 1, 2024
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The 1994 crime bill, formally known as the Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act, has been a point of contention in discussions about systemic racism and its impact on the Black community. RFK Jr.’s tweet suggests that this legislation, which Joe Biden played a key role in authoring, contributed significantly to the mass incarceration of Black Americans.
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https://vigilantnews.com/post/rfk-jr-exposes-joe-bidens-racist-past-in-viral-black-history-month-post/

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https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/sep/14/neo-nazis-springfield-ohio-haitian-immigrants
Haitian immigrants helped revive a struggling Ohio town. Then neo-Nazis turned up
Springfield’s immigrant community was targeted by far-right extremists months before Trump shared racist rumors