Prisoner exchange

Quote: Gandler

I don't agree, many other countries, even most of Europe is much better at regulating people who move to sketch places and try to return. The state dept was right, people who publicly renounce their citizenship while moving to an enemy country should be banned and citizenship revoked. Personally, I would go even further, but that is a good start.





Yes, it was exaggerative, but 100 is not that far off. It is a slow process.

Renouncing citizenship is one thing. Moving to another nation-even an enemy one-does not and should not trigger an involuntary revocation of citizenship.

Quote: GenoDRPh

Renouncing citizenship is one thing. Moving to another nation-even an enemy one-does not and should not trigger an involuntary revocation of citizenship.

Moving to some countries should. Moving to an enemy country definitely should. There is no reason that an American would move to North Korea for an easy example, there is no justification that would not be treacherous, ISIS controlled territory the same, I would say Russia is now at that point as well.

If you are a born American, it is very hard (basically impossible short of some ridiculous circumstances,) to have your citizenship stripped and be banned from returning. This needs to be easier. Now if you became a citizen (not born here,) there are more mechanisms for such (but it is still hard.)

Quote: Gandler

Moving to some countries should. Moving to an enemy country definitely should. There is no reason that an American would move to North Korea for an easy example, there is no justification that would not be treacherous, ISIS controlled territory the same, I would say Russia is now at that point as well.

If you are a born American, it is very hard (basically impossible short of some ridiculous circumstances,) to have your citizenship stripped and be banned from returning. This needs to be easier. Now if you became a citizen (not born here,) there are more mechanisms for such (but it is still hard.)

Last I checked, the US isn't in a declared war with anyone, and therefore there are no enemy countries. Freedom of association is still a thing. Freedom of speech is still a thing.

As far as I am concerned, I'd like to see the Jan 6 insurrectionists all placed in a secure location and deported to a nation willing to take them. Those people are a clear and present danger to the US, and not some young woman who wishes to be part of an ISIS harem.

Quote: GenoDRPh

Last I checked, the US isn't in a declared war with anyone, and therefore there are no enemy countries. Freedom of association is still a thing. Freedom of speech is still a thing.

As far as I am concerned, I'd like to see the Jan 6 insurrectionists all placed in a secure location and deported to a nation willing to take them. Those people are a clear and present danger to the US, and not some young woman who wishes to be part of an ISIS harem.

It depends on your definition, we were at war with ISIS, when the women when to that territory. We are kind of at war with many terrorist organizations (even if many don't have a fixed land.) We are kind of in a loose war with North Korea based on definition.

I agree kick out all JAN06ers (I would go further and say most of them probably should have been shot that day, but the police were very restrained.) But, yeah joining ISIS is just as bad as JAN06, potentially worse, because you are supporting a foreign enemy instead of a domestic one (I guess which is worse is based on personal philosophy.) But, sure kick them all out.

People have free speech and can say whatever. Joining a terrorist organization or attacking DC is not speech that is enemy action. Freedom of association is not (and has never been) a constitutional right (since you seem to think that is the end all document.)

I believe the US has used some sneaky ways to investigate born-in -the-USA citizens outside the country. They contact a friendly foreign intelligence agency and ask them to do it.

Quote: Gandler

It depends on your definition, we were at war with ISIS, when the women when to that territory. We are kind of at war with many terrorist organizations (even if many don't have a fixed land.) We are kind of in a loose war with North Korea based on definition.

I agree kick out all JAN06ers (I would go further and say most of them probably should have been shot that day, but the police were very restrained.) But, yeah joining ISIS is just as bad as JAN06, potentially worse, because you are supporting a foreign enemy instead of a domestic one (I guess which is worse is based on personal philosophy.) But, sure kick them all out.

People have free speech and can say whatever. Joining a terrorist organization or attacking DC is not speech that is enemy action. Freedom of association is not (and has never been) a constitutional right (since you seem to think that is the end all document.)

"kind of" doesn't count...

Quote: GenoDRPh

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To what effect? Passport or not, they still have a Constitutional right to return to US soil. They are still US citizens. The State Department has lost lawsuits over this.

It sounds like we are due for another constitutional amendment then.

Quote: DRich

It sounds like we are due for another constitutional amendment then.

If we are going to do that, I have a list of perhaps more important things that should be changed first.