Gotcha, fat guy

Quote: Evenbob

Trump says she has a cat named vagina and that she refers to her African-American ex-husband as an ape, and none of that was allowed to be mentioned in court among a ton of other things. But anything and everything she wanted to say was allowed. That's why this will get thrown out in appeal the judge was obviously fixed. Trump claims he wanted to testify but his lawyers told him don't bother it will do no good and it would be a total waste of time that they would just appeal it which is what's going to happen.

I don't know what her cat's name or what she may, or may not, have called her ex-husband have to do with whether or not there is any evidence, aside from her own testimony and that of her friends (being told second-hand), that the two of them were even in the same place in the date range. If I am going to find in favor of the Plaintiff on anything, then the minimum evidence I would need is something that at least corroborates the both of them being where she said they were. This is more than a quarter of a century after the fact. This is literally one of the reasons that most things have a statute of limitations to begin with.

I imagine there will be an appeal and we will see whether or not there is another trial. I wouldn't be surprised if his lawyers did tell him that, and if they did, I think it was good advice. I imagine Trump actually wanted to testify, and probably, verbally harass Carroll from the witness stand; I honestly have no idea how Trump's attorneys managed to talk him out of that.

Quote: Evenbob

Trump will win this on appeal, it was rigged from top to bottom. Just like the election.

Au contraire, mon ami

A correction to my earlier post is that the complaint suggests that she called one friend immediately, who also, evidently, didn't think it would be a good idea to even note what month it happened in...then called the other friend a few days later.

Quote: Evenbob

Trump claims he never met this woman has no idea who she is. They were not allowed in court to mention the fact that the same woman accused Les Moonves, the president of CBS, years ago of raping her in an elevator and it was total baloney. She claims that she was raped by Trump but doesn't know what day it was or what time it was or can give any details about it. She's obviously a nut job but if it's Trump they're accusing in New York of course he's guilty.

Les Moonves was accused of sexual harassment by 6 women.

What i do know is there are plenty of men in the same professions, have the same opportunities, have similar amounts of money that never get accused. Way more than do get accused.

Quote: rxwine

Les Moonves was accused of sexual harassment by 6 women.

What i do know is there are plenty of men in the same professions, have the same opportunities, have similar amounts of money that never get accused. Way more than do get accused.

I agree with that.

Even if I would stipulate that I wouldn't put sexual assault or rape past Trump, and, in fact, consider it highly probable that he has done those things at some point, it still wouldn't mean that this specific incident with Carroll, more likely than not, happened.

I could even probably find in her favor without some witness testifying that they heard banging, etc...I just need them to be demonstrably in the same place at the same time. The complaint offers a nine-month window? Why nine months? If you pick a single month, it's possible that Trump wasn't even in the state during that month, so the claim becomes disprovable.

Quote: Mission146

I agree with that.

Even if I would stipulate that I wouldn't put sexual assault or rape past Trump, and, in fact, consider it highly probable that he has done those things at some point, it still wouldn't mean that this specific incident with Carroll, more likely than not, happened.

I could even probably find in her favor without some witness testifying that they heard banging, etc...I just need them to be demonstrably in the same place at the same time. The complaint offers a nine-month window? Why nine months? If you pick a single month, it's possible that Trump wasn't even in the state during that month, so the claim becomes disprovable.

I would tend to give someone who has no previous history of assault more leeway than someone who shows up on the radar for the same thing multiple times. So it would be nice to know the history. Of course, there are also horrible failures, where you let someone go and they do even worse stuff the next time or murder someone.

From a logic perspective, if a guy keeps ending up in a situation where we assume he keeps getting into situations where a predatory woman keeps trying to take him down, I'm going to also think he's stupid. Even if something is not your fault you're an idiot if you didn't do something different or at least point out how you tried to protect yourself from the same thing even if it failed. I would be convinced if someone told me they did what they could to prevent all these unfair accusations. Not so impressed, if someone just keeps saying he runs into terrible people who lie about him multiple times and accuse them of crimes.

I'm also willing to put someone completely incompetent who needs to be off the street somewhere where he won't hurt anyone if that's the case if there's evidence for that, without necessarily making him pay criminal type penalties.

Quote: Mission146

If you pick a single month, it's possible that Trump wasn't even in the state during that month, so the claim becomes disprovable.

Bingo, you hit the nail on the head. Because the charge is false they had to be very careful about dates because somebody like Trump can probably prove where he's been every day for the last 35 years. And because it never happened they would have to make up a date and they could easily screw that up. This is one of the reasons why the jury found Trump innocent of rape.

Quote: Evenbob

Bingo, you hit the nail on the head. Because the charge is false they had to be very careful about dates because somebody like Trump can probably prove where he's been every day for the last 35 years. And because it never happened they would have to make up a date and they could easily screw that up. This is one of the reasons why the jury found Trump innocent of rape.

Juries don't find people innocent, it is guilty or not guilty. (And, in a civil case this is not even the terminology). But, if the jury was convinced that he was never there that day he would have not been liable for battery. And, he would not have been liable for defamation (because he would have been saying the truth).

If Trump could have easily proved that he was never there, it would not be an issue.

It is not a secret that Trump is a sex fiend, I don't think even he would deny this. So the idea of him coming onto a lady in a dressing room is not even remotely far-fetched. Of course, like Trump said he could shoot somebody in public and his supporters would still worship him, so it does not really matter in a political context. But, it is good for another victim to get justice (though good luck collecting from him, he is notorious for not paying legal debts).

Success of an appeal is doubtful when the Appeals Court Judges are all democrat appointees.

The total nut case, got her story from a 2012 SVU episode, where a Judge and his willing victim staged a roll play rape in the dressing room at Bergdorf's.

CNN interviews the lieing skank.

Quote: Gandler

But, if the jury was convinced that he was never there that day he would have not been liable for battery....

So the idea of him coming onto a lady in a dressing room is not even remotely far-fetched.

It was a Manhattan jury. Unless you live here, you can never understand.

You still don't get it. The dressing rooms in that upscale department store for women's clothing, are guarded by a female monitor who directs shoppers to the next available dressing room. There is no way in hell she would allow any man to get past her and enter the fitting rooms.