In the News II

Quote: GenoDRPh

You haven't answered any of mine.

Show me a cop who gives out "street justice" and I'll show you a cop who should be in jail. Does that answer your question?

I am never in favor of violating due process and the 4th Amendment, which is what torture does. Torture has never been a reliable means of collecting information, makes confessions unreliable and untruthful and cops never know where the line is, and always want to push the limits of what they can get away with. Torture at Guantanamo Bay after 9-11 didn't make us any safer, and didn't get any of the suspects any closer to justice.

So back to you:

Scenario #1: A person is taken in to custody on suspicion of kidnapping and he confesses to kidnapping a kid who will be fed alive to some fell beast. So we beat a confession and location of his liar out of him and rescue said bonnie lad. But the courts drop all criminal charges due to the 4th Amendment and due process violations. We save the kid, but the kidnapper walks free.

Scenario #2: A person is taken in to custody on suspicion of kidnapping and he confesses to kidnapping a kid who will be fed alive to some fell beast. So we try to convince him, perhaps with reduced charges or prison sentence, to confess to the location of his liar, but to no avail. The fell beast feeds on the carcass of the poor lad. The kidnapper is convicted and given a life or perhaps a capital sentence.

Which would SooPoo prefer?

Quote: AZDuffman

Meanwhile in LA, riots continue.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBeNV929zSk

Democrats are of course, supporting the thugs as usual.

Laughable thing is they are waving Mexican and other flags yet are mad at being deported to the countries who's flags they are waving. You cannot make this stuff up.

Quote: rxwine

Never heard of people coming to this country just to work and send money home?

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You get deported for being here illegally, not just trying to stay and get citizenship.

Quote: AZDuffman

So, rioting and burning the town is "just wanting to work and send money home??"

Quote: rxwine

If you expect to be deported anyway, and not allowed to legally reapply, you don't have that option.

Quote: AZDuffman

So, rioting and burning the town is "just wanting to work and send money home??"

Quote: SOOPOO

You didn’t fully read my hypothetical. He confessed to the crime before he was subject to ‘enhanced interrogation’. That should thus be admissible and lead to his conviction. So I’ll go with your scenario 1, but expect a conviction from the evidence available before they beat the location out of him.

I liked Rx’s honest answer. I’m selfish just like he is. I want my child saved from the hyenas more than I care about ANYTHING that might happen to his abductor, due process or not.

In a similar vein, my take on Israel’s ‘disproportionate’ response to the slaughter, rape, torture, and kidnapping of its citizens is similar. The bomb will kill 50 combatants (or those living in the same building as the held hostage) but clear a path to free A hostage… go for it. Let that hostage go free and no bomb to your building. Don’t be complicit in hiding the hostages and don’t be bombed.

Quote: rxwine

Trump’s anti-illegal alien policy is as misguided as anything the Democrats could ever come up with. Had Trump just gone with mass removal of criminals it would make sense. Only a total idiot removes people who could be considered as a net plus, and border crossing by itself, is worth only a technical foul in such cases.