In the News II

Quote: odiousgambit

at&t is devalued due to concern over how much money it's going to have to spend to fix a problem, google 'at&t lead'

the company seems to be sending out people saying 'not to worry' so to speak, so there is your risk factor ...

That's one of the reasons she's priced there.

That's the time to buy.

Like with JNJ and the talc issue.


But, I'd suspect there's more bad news coming for her to fall to the 50% mark.

A reply from the firm about the lead.

Keep in mind they own CNN, so I wouldn't believe any of it, if they have that kind of judgement to own CNN.

https://about.att.com/pages/legacy-cables

Quote: DoubleGold

A reply from the firm about the lead.

Keep in mind they own CNN, so I wouldn't believe any of it, if they have that kind of judgement to own CNN.

https://about.att.com/pages/legacy-cables

pays nice dividends if you don't think it's going lower any more, or that the dividend will be chopped

Quote: odiousgambit

pays nice dividends if you don't think it's going lower any more, or that the dividend will be chopped

Since rates are rising, they might have to increase their dividend to get folks to buy.

But yeah, their dividend is at risk to being chopped.

It took GE several quarters to rebound without a solid dividend, but they finally survived.


If I were super-conservative and they didn't own CNN, I consider buying around $12.50, without a dividend.

Eliminating the dividend could bring the price to the 50% mark.

Quote: odiousgambit

pays nice dividends if you don't think it's going lower any more, or that the dividend will be chopped

I have a relatively sizable investment in AT&T that I have had for many years. It has been getting crushed in the last few years.

Quote: AZDuffman

Pretty much. Usually they notice things a decade or two before the mainstream notice it. Then when they look in hindsight all the signs were there.

I agree. I've been right about Evangelicals my entire life, even when what I was saying was an extremely unpopular thing to say out loud.

Quote: Mission146

I agree. I've been right about Evangelicals my entire life, even when what I was saying was an extremely unpopular thing to say out loud.

OK

there's gotta be a story here ... you have a laser beam focus on these folks. Let's have the story please

Quote: odiousgambit

OK

there's gotta be a story here ... you have a laser beam focus on these folks. Let's have the story please

I detailed my experiences with them in a few recent posts. Besides, you can just look at how Evangelicals vote.

Quote: Mission146

I detailed my experiences with them in a few recent posts. Besides, you can just look at how Evangelicals vote.

well I asked Bob something once. He said he was an atheist and had no respect for religion, but I asked him how come it didn't seem to be 'all' religions but instead he was always complaining about Christians specifically. He said in response that he had female relatives who were Bible-pounders and he couldn't stand them , and that was the reason

so I'm thinking you've got some specific thing like that

Quote: odiousgambit

well I asked Bob something once. He said he was an atheist and had no respect for religion, but I asked him how come it didn't seem to be 'all' religions but instead he was always complaining about Christians specifically. He said in response that he had female relatives who were Bible-pounders and he couldn't stand them , and that was the reason

so I'm thinking you've got some specific thing like that

Nope. It's not at all specific. Evangelicals try to restrict the social freedoms of others and I am a Libertarian. I've always been socially very liberal, even in my youth. I've never understood why anyone should care about what others are doing provided it is not a crime and doesn't directly impact them.

Granted, the experiences that I shared involving the churches were extremely negative. Hypocrisy, child abuse, wife-beating, glorified indentured servitude of women...but even I can admit that the majority of church people (even pastors) aren't like that and I just experienced negative variance in that regard.

Still, there's a lot about those sorts of churches that, perhaps unintentionally, enables that sort of behavior. In some ways, the way they teach the Bible actively promotes a lot of that sort of behavior, or could be seen as doing so.

It used to be all of Christianity, for me, but then, ironically enough, I wrote this article:

https://wizardofodds.com/gambling/dice-and-divity

Which is about how different religions and denominations within religions view gambling. Naturally, I had to be as objective as humanly possible for an article like that, and it was sort of tangential to that I noted many differences between various Christian denominations.

Intrigued, I did further research on official policy/sin stances of various denominations...looked at voting records...looked at whether or not the churches themselves tend to advocate directly on political positions (many don't) and had to simply accept that, even as organizations, not all Christian churches are that so diametrically opposed to my views on social freedoms. I'd say the most 'Liberal' are the Methodists, for example, whose biggest advocacy position is that gambling should not be state-sanctioned...and while they say gambling can lead to sin, they don't think all individual instances of gambling are automatically a sin.

Of course, they're a major denomination. I have continued to read other official positions as well as the histories of various denominations, splits, reformations, etc...and have watched videos on these things. I find a lot of it fairly interesting. Of course, I find just about anything interesting if I dig deeply enough.

The Evangelicals still suck.

I'm not a huge fan of certain positions of certain non-Christian/non-Abrahamic religions, sometimes, but they wouldn't be enough to constitute an actual voting bloc in this country and are, therefore, mostly irrelevant to me.