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February 26th, 2024 at 7:01:20 AM permalink | |
ams288 Member since: Apr 21, 2016 Threads: 29 Posts: 13254 |
Sorry I didn’t waste my time reading this. Just answer this simple question: if/when the GOP has a trifecta in Washington DC, will the they nuke the filibuster and pass a federal abortion ban? “A straight man will not go for kids.” - AZDuffman |
February 26th, 2024 at 7:16:00 AM permalink | |
GenoDRPh Member since: Aug 24, 2023 Threads: 0 Posts: 1250 |
RBG advocated used the 14th Amendment to support abortion rights, which I happen to agree with. It is the inherent right of a female to control her fertility and the circumstances of her pregnancy, balanced by the state's interest at viability. To hold otherwise turns people capable of becoming pregnant to the status of broodmares. The court had opportunity to use the 10th Amendment to overturn the Partial Birth Abortion Ban. But didn't. That is Exhibit A, demonstrating the Court will not strike down a properly written Federal law governing abortion. Are there any cases where the court has struck down a Federal alw on abortion? |
February 26th, 2024 at 8:15:16 AM permalink | |
RonC Member since: Nov 7, 2012 Threads: 8 Posts: 2531 |
Perhaps she would have used that if the argument got to them again after the original case but it seems that all of the military has changed policies over the years and the same situation does not seem to happen much, if at all. Her holding on that was based on the 14th amendment and the case that might have made a difference, Struck v. Secretary of Defense, never was heard. Might there be a case using the 14th someday? Could be...
You mean partial-birth murder where the head (or trunk to the naval) of a living child is delivered so they can kill it? I am okay with banning killing at birth and there is leeway for them to end the life of the fetus before the point of a live birth and an exception for medical necessity. Once a baby is "born" it seems a lot more like a murder. |
February 26th, 2024 at 8:40:54 AM permalink | |
GenoDRPh Member since: Aug 24, 2023 Threads: 0 Posts: 1250 |
RBG was not on the court when Roe was decided. Nor was she on the court when Casey v Planned Parenthood was decided. Those were the two main abortion cases that established abortion as a fundamental right. So she didn't have opportunity to give her opinion on the jurisprudence on choice in any major SCOTUS case. I mean the rare case where a late term pregnancy poses a danger to the health or life of the gravida. You continue to refuse to answer the questions. Namely, (1) Are there any cases where the court has struck down a Federal law regarding abortion, using state's rights or the 10th Amendment as a rationale? (2) If the Court ruled Congress cannot make any law regarding abortion as abortion regulation is solely the domain of ther states, why has the Court not strucken down the Partial Birth Abortion Act? |
February 26th, 2024 at 8:43:57 AM permalink | |
SOOPOO Member since: Feb 19, 2014 Threads: 23 Posts: 4322 |
Maybe. And that is one big reason I doubt they will get that ‘trifecta’ in the near future….. that is unless they keep up the REST of the failed Democrat platform…. I still believe Trump loses to any Democrat…. |
February 26th, 2024 at 8:50:50 AM permalink | |
ams288 Member since: Apr 21, 2016 Threads: 29 Posts: 13254 |
I believe “maybe” is a good answer. If there were no filibuster, the answer would be 1000% yes. But there may be enough old crusty GOP senators who aren’t willing to nuke it. Just depends on how big this hypothetical GOP senate majority is I guess… “A straight man will not go for kids.” - AZDuffman |
February 26th, 2024 at 9:11:09 AM permalink | |
RonC Member since: Nov 7, 2012 Threads: 8 Posts: 2531 |
Did I say that she was on the Court at that point? No, I merely mentioned some of what happened that showed her belief in the 14th Amendment being a better basis for a right to abortion.
Has there been a case where the State's rights issue has been in question regarding abortion? If you point out one that was filed as saying the 10th Amendment should cause a law to be invalidated?
Too close to killing a baby at birth. Call it abortion if you wish, but it is a baby that is born and killed. Killing a baby can be outlawed. |
February 26th, 2024 at 9:26:44 AM permalink | |
GenoDRPh Member since: Aug 24, 2023 Threads: 0 Posts: 1250 |
You argue best when you argue my point. You and other argue that SCOTUS will strike down any Federal laws regarding abortion, as abortion is sole the domain of the states. Yet there is no case that you or anyone can cite to support your position, and the one Federal law regarding abortion has been upheld by the Court. SO, there is no case law in support of your position and case law in opposite of your position. This shows exactly how untrustworthy the pro-life advocates are. |
February 26th, 2024 at 12:29:46 PM permalink | |
RonC Member since: Nov 7, 2012 Threads: 8 Posts: 2531 |
Yawn. You argument is based on a decision regarding a repugnant practice more properly described as murder of an infant than as any type of "abortion". That has nothing to do with an actual case involving the "normal" methods of abortion. Dobbs sent the issue of abortion to the States. The current court would likely uphold that if a Federal ban came in front of them. I suppose a court that was packed by Democrats or, over time, became a different (Progressive) court, might take the issue away from the States and allow a Federal law providing abortions for all in any manner to stand. |
February 26th, 2024 at 1:46:30 PM permalink | |
GenoDRPh Member since: Aug 24, 2023 Threads: 0 Posts: 1250 |
That "repugnant" practice is used overwhelmingly to terminate a pregnancy that poses a danger to the health of the gravida that was not detected earlier in gestation, or developed late in gestation. It is indeed a "normal: method of abortion, i.e. normal to the individual circumstances of a late-term pregnancy. A different court, in Roe and Casey, ruled that states can ban abortions after fetal viability. So they did indeed return some abortions regulation back to that states But that wasn't good enough for American Christian Taliban. Republicans absolutely cannot be trusted to protect reproductive freedom. |