Should Trans People be allowed to use opposite sex bathrooms?

Quote: Gandler

So, he got arrested for disrupting a meeting and refusing to leave, not because his daughter was assaulted by a trans (which would be a weird charge?)

Also, his daughter seems to have had a consensual relationship with the kid (who was not a trans), and the whole thing about him wearing a skirt to assault her in the bathroom seems totally made up? (As does the kid being trans.)

So basically he completely made up an incident based on partial information, went to a school board meeting, acted like a fool, got disruptive, refused to leave, and the police had to get physical. He has nobody to blame, but himself. Did he apologize to the kid for making false accusations of sexual assault and being a trans? (I already know the answer.)

What probably happened is the father did not approve of this relationship because of obvious reasons. And, accusing male kids you don't like as being trans, is the new accusing male kids you don't like as being gay (which I never got, it is like, dude the kid is banging your daughter, if he is gay/trans what does that say about your daughter?.....) But, this is a tale as old as time for old school fathers even if it makes no logical sense.... Anyway, he probably proceeded to rant about the kid as being trans, and then amplified the issue for attention.....

In summary his daughter was probably never sexually assaulted. If she was, it was certainly not by a trans (since even the kid originally accused is not trans.....) So trans issues have nothing to do with this story, other than this father being bizarre and conflating social issues that are not relevant to what may have happened to his daughter....

And, further more, the father just acted like a fool at a meeting for his daughter maybe being sexually assaulted (probably not), by somebody who has nothing to do with trans....

Keep living in your bubble I know you have trouble with reality. If you would do a little honest research you would find out that the boy was transferred to another school after the incident with no charges. At the new school he did the same thing again and finally got charged. I have no idea if the boy was trans or not. The school district relaxed the rules and the kid was smart enough to put on a skirt and take advantage of the opportunity the school gave him.

Quote: kenarman

Keep living in your bubble I know you have trouble with reality. If you would do a little honest research you would find out that the boy was transferred to another school after the incident with no charges. At the new school he did the same thing again and finally got charged. I have no idea if the boy was trans or not. The school district relaxed the rules and the kid was smart enough to put on a skirt and take advantage of the opportunity the school gave him.

It sure sounds like Gandler did his research much better than you did. You just speak in (possibly stroke-addled) generalizations while he mentioned specific facts of the case.

Quote: ams288

It sure sounds like Gandler did his research much better than you did. You just speak in (possibly stroke-addled) generalizations while he mentioned specific facts of the case.

Take it easy on Fetterma…er Kenarman. He’s doing his best.

Quote: kenarman

Keep living in your bubble I know you have trouble with reality. If you would do a little honest research you would find out that the boy was transferred to another school after the incident with no charges. At the new school he did the same thing again and finally got charged. I have no idea if the boy was trans or not. The school district relaxed the rules and the kid was smart enough to put on a skirt and take advantage of the opportunity the school gave him.

I have zero trouble with reality (I posted this opinion after actually researching the alleged incident after all of these years.) I am happy to see citations for what you claim. But, almost none of that is true (or at best highly disputed.)

But, I will do one better, let's assume this post is 100% factual (it is not.)

A. Kids frequently get transferred when there is drama or conflict (justified or not), this means almost nothing.

B. Not having any idea if the alleged offender is trans is kind of a big deal when the main part of your argument is using the incident to claim how dangerous trans people are. This is like talking about "black violent crime stats" and then only citing a white serial killer as a major talking point for years.... If you are claiming that this shows how dangerous trans being are, him actually being trans or not, is literally the only thing that matters.

C. Neither of these points are relevant to the father's arrest. He was behaving improperly and did not leave the meeting when instructed. Even if his daughter was raped and murdered (she was not), he would have had to be removed from the meeting. The truth of the claim is irrelevant to his behavior at the meeting (though his story was either untrue or even being hyper generous, greatly exaggerated). And, before you say this is insensitive, go to your next city council meeting, half the people there will be there because a relative died whether by crime, improper care, or because of driving conditions or whatever, when people start screaming out of turn they get removed (and these are people who actually lost somebody.) Though the fact that the incident may have not even occurred in this case, does make a difference.

D. If he was not trans, and you shift to saying well he was a straight-cis guy, but he was using a loophole that only exists because of trans people, to stalk a girl in the bathroom is equally absurd (I have a feeling this is the next shift.) Nobody who is a serial rapist/abuser is suddenly going to stop their actions because, "well I guess I am not allowed in that room too bad....."

Quote: Gandler

D. If he was not trans, and you shift to saying well he was a straight-cis guy,

I am not familiar with that term. What is a straight-cis person?

Quote: DRich

I am not familiar with that term. What is a straight-cis person?

A heterosexual non-trans person. "Cis" basically means non-trans (or identifying as birth gender.) "Straight" just means heterosexual (not gay.)

"Straight-cis" is a mis ordering of the terms on my part (but I was just trying to convey he is a non-gay and non-trans person.)

Quote: Gandler

I have zero trouble with reality (I posted this opinion after actually researching the alleged incident after all of these years.) I am happy to see citations for what you claim. But, almost none of that is true (or at best highly disputed.)

But, I will do one better, let's assume this post is 100% factual (it is not.)

A. Kids frequently get transferred when there is drama or conflict (justified or not), this means almost nothing.

B. Not having any idea if the alleged offender is trans is kind of a big deal when the main part of your argument is using the incident to claim how dangerous trans people are. This is like talking about "black violent crime stats" and then only citing a white serial killer as a major talking point for years.... If you are claiming that this shows how dangerous trans being are, him actually being trans or not, is literally the only thing that matters.

C. Neither of these points are relevant to the father's arrest. He was behaving improperly and did not leave the meeting when instructed. Even if his daughter was raped and murdered (she was not), he would have had to be removed from the meeting. The truth of the claim is irrelevant to his behavior at the meeting (though his story was either untrue or even being hyper generous, greatly exaggerated). And, before you say this is insensitive, go to your next city council meeting, half the people there will be there because a relative died whether by crime, improper care, or because of driving conditions or whatever, when people start screaming out of turn they get removed (and these are people who actually lost somebody.) Though the fact that the incident may have not even occurred in this case, does make a difference.

D. If he was not trans, and you shift to saying well he was a straight-cis guy, but he was using a loophole that only exists because of trans people, to stalk a girl in the bathroom is equally absurd (I have a feeling this is the next shift.) Nobody who is a serial rapist/abuser is suddenly going to stop their actions because, "well I guess I am not allowed in that room too bad....."

You still haven't figured out the whole point of my post. In my OP I used 'trans' in hindsight I should of put a question mark. The point is that allowing humans with penises into the girls washroom in schools is a problem.

Quote: kenarman

You still haven't figured out the whole point of my post. In my OP I used 'trans' in hindsight I should of put a question mark. The point is that allowing humans with penises into the girls washroom in schools is a problem.

Are women raped or assaulted by men (or anyone) at a higher rate in bathrooms after trans have been allowed in? If there was a massive correlation after a policy change, this seems like it would be easy to demonstrate?

As opposed to hyper focusing on very localized alleged issues that (even if true) have virtually nothing to do with trans people...

Quote: Gandler

Are women raped or assaulted by men (or anyone) at a higher rate in bathrooms after trans have been allowed in? If there was a massive correlation after a policy change, this seems like it would be easy to demonstrate?

As opposed to hyper focusing on very localized alleged issues that (even if true) have virtually nothing to do with trans people...

As you lefties continually say about a new restrictive law. "If it saves just one life it is worth it"

Quote: kenarman

As you lefties continually say about a new restrictive law. "If it saves just one life it is worth it"

If you legitimately want to make bathrooms safer for women and school kids, I'm right there with you whether it's locking stalls, private bathrooms, panic buttons, or I even heard of just leaving the door off with a barrier to walk around like the casinos use because anyone inside can be heard yelling out. I even saw a school using a one-way mirror. You can look out from the bathroom seeing who's around, who's coming and who you might yell to for help.

Yeah, I'm fine with that, but not targeting one small minority group that doesn't even address the larger problem! Nope not fine with that at all.