Should Trans People be allowed to use opposite sex bathrooms?

As far as chromosomes, I suppose they could have stipulated "normal" marriage by chromosomes and banned gay marriage. But my real problem is why we don't go back to discriminating against left handers. The world needs to be made only for right handers. Right hand tools. Right hand jobs. You can only wave with the right hand. Right hand handshakes. Right hand masturbation or jail.

Republican nanny state against freedom
https://www.yahoo.com/news/republicans-look-to-extend-transgender-restrictions-to-adults-212844068.html

Quote: terapined

Republican nanny state against freedom
https://www.yahoo.com/news/republicans-look-to-extend-transgender-restrictions-to-adults-212844068.html

In fairness, eighteen months of psychological treatment before doing gender-affirming surgery isn't as extreme as I would have expected from the Show Me Your Genitals state.

Also, I don't know that the notion of having some requirement is itself misguided. I don't know what doctors would or wouldn't do, and I'd usually tend to err on the side of, "Hey, whatever you want," but I don't know that someone should be able to go in and declare that they are a woman on Tuesday and have a doctor slit their cock-a-doodle-do up the middle, turn it inside out and make it a pretend vagina on Wednesday.

Maybe six months of psychological evaluation, or at least three, would be something a bit more reasonable.

On the other hand, the little freedom devil on my shoulder says, "Who the **** cares? It's not as if it will be the first or last time someone makes a rash decision that they grow to regret."

I should also assume that the majority of gender-affirming care providers are requiring some of this stuff, in advance of any sharpening of scalpels, anyway.

well, I'm not up to date, but these legislative moves are usually about not publicly funding this trans stuff

additionally, not making it easy to trans-treat kids in particular ... if the money is not there, that's going to slow that down

the Saturday Night Live segment was awful. These new laws were spun to make them sound like trans-kids weren't going to get ordinary health care. Worst of all, the segment paused away from comedy to make flat statements, misleading ones, in order to get applause

Liberals really disgust me with that stuff

Quote: odiousgambit

well, I'm not up to date, but these legislative moves are usually about not publicly funding this trans stuff

additionally, not making it easy to trans-treat kids in particular ... if the money is not there, that's going to slow that down

the Saturday Night Live segment was awful. These new laws were spun to make them sound like trans-kids weren't going to get ordinary health care. Worst of all, the segment paused away from comedy to make flat statements, misleading ones, in order to get applause

Liberals really disgust me with that stuff

Maybe you should find a new hobby other than obsessing over this issue that has no effect on your life whatsoever.

Quote: ams288

Maybe you should find a new hobby other than obsessing over this issue that has no effect on your life whatsoever.

probably not going to watch SNL again ... that's one effect

as for transgenders in my life, what family today doesn't have a good shot at that? I was not spared. This person was possibly at or over 21 when this occurred, but I have to figure advocates/activists got to work on her* as soon as she entered college. However, just as likely it was the internet as anything, something we should all realize. Furthermore, you know, we get the argument about preventing suicides. I just wonder how that is going to go ... just her general happiness seems in question anyway

And it certainly is bizarre to observe. Another effect I could have skipped, thank you. I don't know what they did, family members who know aren't saying. I'm guessing it was male hormones and breast removal.

* yes you are correct, this is considered misgendering

I'm Still Standing, Yeah, Yeah, Yeah [it's an old guy chant for me]

Quote: odiousgambit

This person was possibly at or over 21 when this occurred, but I have to figure advocates/activists got to work on her* as soon as she entered college.

Why are you so obsessed with advocates/activists??????
Just let people have freedom
If somebody is transgender, it's all internal
These so called advocates/activists can't turn a heterosexual to a transgender.
It's absurd
This is the same illogical thinking that there are so many gays because kids are being groomed.
It's BS
Just let a transgender make their own decisions
Doesn't effect you or me in the least
I'm a firm believer in different strokes for different folks.
If the stroke doesn't effect me then go for it no matter how bizarre it is
It's freedom

Quote: odiousgambit

probably not going to watch SNL again ... that's one effect

as for transgenders in my life, what family today doesn't have a good shot at that? I was not spared. This person was possibly at or over 21 when this occurred, but I have to figure advocates/activists got to work on her* as soon as she entered college. However, just as likely it was the internet as anything, something we should all realize. Furthermore, you know, we get the argument about preventing suicides. I just wonder how that is going to go ... just her general happiness seems in question anyway

And it certainly is bizarre to observe. Another effect I could have skipped, thank you. I don't know what they did, family members who know aren't saying. I'm guessing it was male hormones and breast removal.

* yes you are correct, this is considered misgendering

Highlighting the suicide rates always seems like a spurious position to take, in my opinion. Are we assuming these same people would not be committing suicide if they did not receive the gender-affirming care?

My tendency is to think, with or without the gender-affirming care, people with psychological issues are still going to be people with psychological issues. I suppose you can technically have the argument as we would first have to outlaw gender-affirming care, then take a survey of how many people who would get gender-affirming care, were it available, but committed suicide.

Being transgender would seem to indicate to me that all is not psychologically well with a person, as would committing suicide. Transgender individuals have a tendency to be psychologically unwell. This does not surprise me.

Quote: terapined

Why are you so obsessed with advocates/activists??????
Just let people have freedom
If somebody is transgender, it's all internal
These so called advocates/activists can't turn a heterosexual to a transgender.
It's absurd
This is the same illogical thinking that there are so many gays because kids are being groomed.
It's BS
Just let a transgender make their own decisions
Doesn't effect you or me in the least
I'm a firm believer in different strokes for different folks.
If the stroke doesn't effect me then go for it no matter how bizarre it is
It's freedom

Can you explain the fourth line?

I'm not certain that transgenderism automatically bears any relationship to the gender a person is attracted to. There might be some correlation there, but are you suggesting it is impossible for, for instance, a biological male to be sexually attracted to females, transition, then still continue to be sexually attracted to females? Are you saying that the biological male was actually never heterosexual, because they were always a trans-woman, and are and have always been, therefore, a homosexual lesbian?

I just don't understand what your statement is trying to say.

Anyway, I agree with most of the rest of what you said.

Quote: Mission146

Quote: odiousgambit

probably not going to watch SNL again ... that's one effect

as for transgenders in my life, what family today doesn't have a good shot at that? I was not spared. This person was possibly at or over 21 when this occurred, but I have to figure advocates/activists got to work on her* as soon as she entered college. However, just as likely it was the internet as anything, something we should all realize. Furthermore, you know, we get the argument about preventing suicides. I just wonder how that is going to go ... just her general happiness seems in question anyway

And it certainly is bizarre to observe. Another effect I could have skipped, thank you. I don't know what they did, family members who know aren't saying. I'm guessing it was male hormones and breast removal.

* yes you are correct, this is considered misgendering

Highlighting the suicide rates always seems like a spurious position to take, in my opinion. Are we assuming these same people would not be committing suicide if they did not receive the gender-affirming care?

My tendency is to think, with or without the gender-affirming care, people with psychological issues are still going to be people with psychological issues. I suppose you can technically have the argument as we would first have to outlaw gender-affirming care, then take a survey of how many people who would get gender-affirming care, were it available, but committed suicide.

Being transgender would seem to indicate to me that all is not psychologically well with a person, as would committing suicide. Transgender individuals have a tendency to be psychologically unwell. This does not surprise me.

This!