Supreme Court strikes down Roe v. Wade?

Quote: AZDuffman

You claim you do not want an atheist government then you say you do. From the beginning the Constitution and other legal docs said "in the year of our Lord X" instead of just a date. POTUS was sworn in on a Bible. All kinds of government meetings started with a prayer.

I realize you are a bigot and hate religion more than anything, but you are not in an atheist country. A belief in a higher power was there from day 1.

Dissenters had little power in numbers. That’s all that means.

Quote: missedhervee

In school I studied what was called "Western Christian Civilization."

Christianity is the smelly albatross the US will continue to be forced to wear for the foreseeable future, at least til lefties once again pack the USSC.

I am not sure what you mean by USSC?

Quote: AZDuffman

You claim you do not want an atheist government then you say you do. From the beginning the Constitution and other legal docs said "in the year of our Lord X" instead of just a date. POTUS was sworn in on a Bible. All kinds of government meetings started with a prayer.

I realize you are a bigot and hate religion more than anything, but you are not in an atheist country. A belief in a higher power was there from day 1.

I do hate religion, but I am not a bigot (I don't hate individuals). People have a right to believe foolish things, they do not have a right to push it onto others. The problem with the two main religions Christianity and Islam, is that they are designed to be spread (often by force). At least Judaism does not believe in converting people. So there is a scale as for which religions are most dangerous to humanity, not all are equally damaging.

I have never said I want an atheist government. I will be the first to agree that is almost as had as a religious government. I want a secular government (which we have and sadly have to fight to preserve).

Quote: kenarman

Gandler believes in God but in his world God is called the General.

That does not even make sense. I do not worship anyone as a god. And, even if I did, at least a General would be a real person who I have met and know exists.

And, if I am loyal to somebody, I have a tangible reason to be (they are a good person and competent), but that is not worship. It takes a lot to earn my trust, so if there is somebody that I highly respect they have earned it, but that is not worship. However, if you really want to stretch and call that worship (it's not), its still not the same to worshipping a fictional entity. Also, I frequently stop respecting people and sometimes calls them out when they become stupid (which has happened in the last two years), which if I viewed them as a god, well, you know.....

Worshipping something/somebody mindlessly is crazy. However, worshiping something that there is zero evidence for is next level crazy.

Gandler is so right it’s ridiculous. Secular is best of all.

Also, I will add, inserting a “god” reference is no different than wanting purposely to insert “One nation under no god”

It’s just subtle crap by the religious.

Quote: Gandler

I am not sure what you mean by USSC?

United States Supreme Court.

The libs had control when Roe v. Wade came out, now the conservatives have the reins.

Given Thomas' abject hatred of the left and his thirst for revenge over his embarrassment during his confirmation hearings the current court will embrace religion and its role in American political life.

This of course will change when the liberals regain control of the USSC.

Quote: missedhervee

United States Supreme Court.

The libs had control when Roe v. Wade came out, now the conservatives have the reigns.

Given Thomas' abject hatred of the left and his thirst for revenge over his embarrassment during his confirmation hearings the current court will embrace religion and its role in American political life.

This of course will change when the liberals regain control of the USSC.

I’m nearing 62. I wonder what the odds are of either having 5 left leaning justices (or an expanded court packed with liberals) during my remaining years? You’d need a Democrat President and at least two of the 6 to kick the bucket.


I am pro the unfettered right for a woman to abort her embryo/fetus at any point before it would be viable outside of the womb. We can fight if that’s 21 weeks, 22, etc…
I hate that the SC reversed Roe. But to me it should not be important.
Eliminating Roe did not ban abortions. It just allows the States to set the laws. If it is that important an issue (it’s not!!) then the people can elect state lawmakers to keep abortion legal. Like my state (NY) as an example.

I hate that the doofus Republicans are galvanizing their own opposition. They were poised to wrest control of the House and Senate next election. Something like 2/3 to 3/4 of Americans are unhappy with abortion bans. This issue is great cover for the abject failure Democrat leadership (Prez, House,Senate) has been for the last year and a half.

I am still technically a Republican, but if asked for my party, my answer is now ‘Anti Democrat’.

Quote: SOOPOO

I hate that the doofus Republicans are galvanizing their own opposition. They were poised to wrest control of the House and Senate next election. Something like 2/3 to 3/4 of Americans are unhappy with abortion bans. This issue is great cover for the abject failure Democrat leadership (Prez, House,Senate) has been for the last year and a half.

And we haven’t had a presidential election where abortion rights were *literally* on the ballot in over 50 years.

Whoever the GOP nominee is will support a nationwide ban.

Buckle up.

Quote: Gandler

That does not even make sense. I do not worship anyone as a god. And, even if I did, at least a General would be a real person who I have met and know exists.

If you are in the military you must accept the orders you are given on faith. Just like accepting God on faith. If everyone on the battle field starts questioning their orders the battle is lost and you are probably dead.

Quote: kenarman

If you are in the military you must accept the orders you are given on faith. Just like accepting God on faith. If everyone on the battle field starts questioning their orders the battle is lost and you are probably dead.

What is this hogwash about soldiers obeying orders based on faith?

Faith?!

That has nothing to do with it.

Soldiers obey because

1] they've been trained / indoctrinated and conditioned to do so

2] they fear punishment if they disobey

3] they're soldiers and knowingly signed up to play the game.

Faith has nothing to do with obedience.

Quote: kenarman

If you are in the military you must accept the orders you are given on faith. Just like accepting God on faith. If everyone on the battle field starts questioning their orders the battle is lost and you are probably dead.

I am not sure faith is the right word. You receive an order and obey it (or don't). Its a crime to not obey a lawful order, but its also a crime to obey an unlawful order (or give one), so you have to make rational decisions even in extreme situations.

Even at every normal job I have had, I get told to do things that I may not understand the full scope of (or if I do, do not make sense to me), but you still just do it and carry on. That is not really an exclusive thing to the military (granted at a regular job you can just walk off and quit with no criminal repercussions if you are really upset with how something is being run which does change some things).

But, that has nothing to do with worshipping somebody as a god. Even if you are of the mindset to worship the top person in your organization as a god, at least they would be a real person who you know exists (which would still be weird, but slightly less weird than something that you have no reason to believe exists).

Quote: Gandler

But, that has nothing to do with worshipping somebody as a god. Even if you are of the mindset to worship the top person in your organization as a god, at least they would be a real person who you know exists (which would still be weird, but slightly less weird than something that you have no reason to believe exists).

You need to look up the definition of "faith."

Plenty of reason to believe a higher power exists if you take off the atheist blinders.