Israel under Siege

Quote: Gandler

The reasonable thing to do is targeted take outs of people firing at you,.

Tell that to the ragheads who are firing thousands of unaimed rockets into Israel; also correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't the Israeli air and artillery strikes actually targeted?

Quote: missedhervee

Tell that to the ragheads who are firing thousands of unaimed rockets into Israel; also correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't the Israeli air and artillery strikes actually targeted?

Absolutely, they are highly targeted against terrorist targets.

Hamas fire missles into Israel knowing they can end up anywhere.

Israel is very responsible and goes out of its way to avoid civilian targets. Hamas goes out of its way to target civilians.

Quote: Gandler

Because it is not a reasonable use of force.

If it was required to win a conflict in a way that would save lives in the long run, it would be a reasonable use of force (such as WWII), but mass bombings would not do anything positive in this conflict. The reasonable thing to do is targeted take outs of people firing at you, and even just doing that they are getting vilified.

Its a lose-lose situation for Israel because even the most minimalistic response causes outrage and condemnation..... But, it is crucial for Israel to keep the moral high ground.

Keeping the moral high ground sounds inefficient.

I was curious about the rocket used by hamas:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qassam_rocket

"The utility of the Qassam rocket design is assumed to be ease and speed of manufacture, using common tools and components. To this end, the rockets are propelled by a solid mixture of sugar and potassium nitrate, a common fertilizer. The warhead is filled with smuggled or scavenged TNT and urea nitrate, another common fertilizer. The warhead's explosive material is similar to the civilian explosive ammonite.

The rocket consists of a steel cylinder, containing a rectangular block of the propellant. A steel plate which forms and supports the nozzles is then spot-welded to the base of the cylinder. The warhead consists of a simple metal shell surrounding the explosives, and is triggered by a fuse constructed using a simple firearm cartridge, spring and a nail.

The cost of the materials used for manufacturing each Qassam is up to $800 or €500 (in 2008/9) per rocket."

Quote: Mission146

Keeping the moral high ground sounds inefficient.

It is. But would you rather live in a world where States care more about efficiency than ethics?

The reason that Israel has the moral high ground is because they do exactly what the other sides does not, they take the time to have very targeted strikes. And yes, in The Gaza Strip this will lead to civilian deaths because it is so densely populated. But, spending time and resources to minimize civilians deaths should always be praised.

"After Years of Quiet, Israeli-Palestinian Conflict Exploded. Why Now?" -NYT

"Twenty-seven days before the first rocket was fired from Gaza this week, a squad of Israeli police officers entered the Aqsa Mosque in Jerusalem, brushed the Palestinian attendants aside and strode across its vast limestone courtyard. Then they cut the cables to the loudspeakers that broadcast prayers to the faithful from four medieval minarets."

"There was no major unrest in Jerusalem when President Donald J. Trump recognized the city as Israel’s capital and nominally moved the United States Embassy there. There were no mass protests after four Arab countries normalized relations with Israel, abandoning a long-held consensus that they would never do so until the Palestinian-Israeli conflict had been resolved."

Quote: Tanko

'There was no major unrest in Jerusalem when President Donald J. Trump recognized the city as Israel’s capital'

So what
Who listens to Trump in the middle east

Care to comment on the massive welfare fraud among Jews in NY that Gandler and conservatives ignore
Its MASSIVE

https://www.johndenugent.com/crooked-welfare-scamming-orthodox-jews-take-over-ny-town-driving-even-the-regular-jews-nuts/

http://www.renegadetribune.com/welfare-fraud-big-problem-orthodox-jewish-communities/

Quote: Tanko

"After Years of Quiet, Israeli-Palestinian Conflict Exploded. Why Now?" -NYT

"Twenty-seven days before the first rocket was fired from Gaza this week, a squad of Israeli police officers entered the Aqsa Mosque in Jerusalem, brushed the Palestinian attendants aside and strode across its vast limestone courtyard. Then they cut the cables to the loudspeakers that broadcast prayers to the faithful from four medieval minarets."

"There was no major unrest in Jerusalem when President Donald J. Trump recognized the city as Israel’s capital and nominally moved the United States Embassy there. There were no mass protests after four Arab countries normalized relations with Israel, abandoning a long-held consensus that they would never do so until the Palestinian-Israeli conflict had been resolved."

I cannot read the article because it is behind a paywall and I do not have a NYT subscription (and have zero desire to get one). But, I find it hard to believe NYT would credit Trump for peace in the region (even if he loves to say it).

The fact is Hamas fired into Israel. A lot, we are talking thousands of rockets, not just a rogue crazy person lobbing a homemade bomb. Israel has a right to defend itself. Israel is not striking Gaza for some random sadistic reason.

So, s*** gets blown up. People die.

What's going to end up different this time than any other?

Actually, the situation reminds me of one of the old COPS episode. Police have gone over to the same house 3 times in the same week. The two brothers, the father, or mother, are beating up on each other again.

The police settle things down. Maybe run one or more into jail for the night. A few days later.

Same thing. And the USA represents the cops.