1620: A Critical Response to the 1619 Project

The more I read about William Tecumseh Sherman again, the more I realize he is probably the baddest MF'er to ever live.

They should force a High School in Savannah, Georgia to carry his name.

Quote: Mission146

The more I read about William Tecumseh Sherman again, the more I realize he is probably the baddest MF'er to ever live.

They should force a High School in Savannah, Georgia to carry his name.

Ever see a Sherman Bow tie
They are all over the south
Sherman's troops would tear up rails
To prevent the lines from being repaired
They heated the rails so hot to wrap them around trees

Quote: Mission146

...The Civil War should not have officially ended until every Confederate soldier, white landowner (in the South) and their families were all summarily executed. No surrender should have been accepted until such time. The churches and public buildings of the South should have all been burnt to the ground. Want to commit treason? Here's what happens.

What got into you all of a sudden? I don't know what you are trying to do with that statement. Families too, eh? When you get that outrageous we just have to assume you're not serious at all. Just baiting us, clearly.

OK, I'll bite.

That pretty much means in any civil war, then, one side has to annihilate the other, what with that treason bit. Which likewise means no such war would ever end. And the logistics of such a thing, man. In the ACW they didn't have the example of the Khmer Rouge to go by. Those fine fellows of your evident ilk figured out if you were going to annihilate on such a scale you just have to leave the bodies in the fields, it's way too much to try to deal with them. And you need a Khmer Rouge type ideology to go with it. Your fellow soldiers would find it a little off-putting I think, so you'd have to get them going on something, make them believe slavery was the end all of all sins and radicalize them I guess. Emphasizing anti-treason wouldn't get it done. Even then I'd have to say 'good luck', even amongst the Colored Troops as they called them then, probably just a handful willing to do such heinous work would be found.

BTW everybody is tired of Nazi comparisons these days, some actress even got in trouble with that. The Khmer Rouge make a good alternative

Quote: odiousgambit

What got into you all of a sudden? I don't know what you are trying to do with that statement. Families too, eh? When you get that outrageous we just have to assume you're not serious at all. Just baiting us, clearly.

OK, I'll bite.

That pretty much means in any civil war, then, one side has to annihilate the other, what with that treason bit. Which likewise means no such war would ever end. And the logistics of such a thing, man. In the ACW they didn't have the example of the Khmer Rouge to go by. Those fine fellows of your evident ilk figured out if you were going to annihilate on such a scale you just have to leave the bodies in the fields, it's way too much to try to deal with them. And you need a Khmer Rouge type ideology to go with it. Your fellow soldiers would find it a little off-putting I think, so you'd have to get them going on something, make them believe slavery was the end all of all sins and radicalize them I guess. Emphasizing anti-treason wouldn't get it done. Even then I'd have to say 'good luck', even amongst the Colored Troops as they called them then, probably just a handful willing to do such heinous work would be found.

BTW everybody is tired of Nazi comparisons these days, some actress even got in trouble with that. The Khmer Rouge make a good alternative

The secessionists lived (some of them) to tell their stories and create sympathy for the former Confederate States, some of which is still heard today. We see the Confederate Battle Flag proudly flown here and there and groups such as Sons of Confederate Veterans exist, to name one such group.

Besides, there's no going back in time. If you think I'm outrageous, look at what Sherman actually did to win. He even gambled by cutting off his own rail supply line just prior to making his push to the Atlantic and burning innumerable dollars of property and supplies (those that his forces did not use) along the way.

The point is that Sherman had essentially done that process in Atlanta and throughout the South all the way to the sea, executions aside. Obviously, the Union did not quell the rebellion enough as there are sympathizers that are out there to this very day.

Okay, maybe not the female family members or children younger than a particular age...but everything else that I said. Undoubtedly, every single Confederate soldier. We let them off too light. Their individual (or regiment) surrenders would be accepted at such time that they presented themselves for execution...death would inevitably have been by one means or another anyway.

I mean, we didn't even kill Jefferson Davis. You know, the Confederate President who dressed as his wife's mother in order to try to continue his escape.

Bottom line
1619 project exists because we live in the information age
Times have changed
When I grew up, 3 half hour pretty much identical news shows, parents, school and Encyclopedia at home
That was pretty much the information source
Times have changed
The internet has changed everything regarding access to information
The 1619 project today is meaningless
Anybody can push their view of history from Bill O'reilly to the NYT
This is the information age
Their is no indoctrination
Kids carry the planets library and every view of every event in their hip pocket

Quote: terapined

Ever see a Sherman Bow tie
They are all over the south
Sherman's troops would tear up rails
To prevent the lines from being repaired
They heated the rails so hot to wrap them around trees

I've never seen one in person as that would first require me to go to the South.

That being said, since some Southerners (and others) like their Confederate Battle Flag so much, I think what I will do is customize an American flag bumper sticker with 39 stars and nine stripes to put on my car, under that, a bumper sticker with an image of a Sherman necktie.

Quote: Mission146

The secessionists lived (some of them) to tell their stories and create sympathy for the former Confederate States, some of which is still heard today. We see the Confederate Battle Flag proudly flown here and there and groups such as Sons of Confederate Veterans exist, to name one such group.

Besides, there's no going back in time. If you think I'm outrageous, look at what Sherman actually did to win. He even gambled by cutting off his own rail supply line just prior to making his push to the Atlantic and burning innumerable dollars of property and supplies (those that his forces did not use) along the way.

The point is that Sherman had essentially done that process in Atlanta and throughout the South all the way to the sea, executions aside. Obviously, the Union did not quell the rebellion enough as there are sympathizers that are out there to this very day.

Okay, maybe not the female family members or children younger than a particular age...but everything else that I said. Undoubtedly, every single Confederate soldier. We let them off too light. Their individual (or regiment) surrenders would be accepted at such time that they presented themselves for execution...death would inevitably have been by one means or another anyway.

I mean, we didn't even kill Jefferson Davis. You know, the Confederate President who dressed as his wife's mother in order to try to continue his escape.

The Czar supported the North. https://fort-russ.com/2020/12/why-russia-saved-the-united-states/

"Czar Alexander II, who held sole power to declare war for Russia, stated in an interview to the American banker Wharton Barker on Aug. 17, 1879 (Published in The Independent March 24, 1904):

“In the Autumn of 1862, the governments of France and Great Britain proposed to Russia, in a formal but not in an official way, the joint recognition by European powers of the independence of the Confederate States of America. My immediate answer was: `I will not cooperate in such action; and I will not acquiesce. On the contrary, I shall accept the recognition of the independence of the Confederate States by France and Great Britain as a casus belli for Russia. "

Quote: petroglyph

The Czar supported the North. https://fort-russ.com/2020/12/why-russia-saved-the-united-states/

"Czar Alexander II, who held sole power to declare war for Russia, stated in an interview to the American banker Wharton Barker on Aug. 17, 1879 (Published in The Independent March 24, 1904):

“In the Autumn of 1862, the governments of France and Great Britain proposed to Russia, in a formal but not in an official way, the joint recognition by European powers of the independence of the Confederate States of America. My immediate answer was: `I will not cooperate in such action; and I will not acquiesce. On the contrary, I shall accept the recognition of the independence of the Confederate States by France and Great Britain as a casus belli for Russia. "

Thanks! I wasn't aware of that at all. The only thing that I knew is that the Union had set up a naval blockade.

in the 1620 video, someone remarks that in 1776 *most* of the world was in some form of 'servitude', so I take it he meant things like serfs in Europe, who indeed are said to have essentially been slaves, but tied to the land, not bought and sold unless the land was sold. Alexander II indeed had just freed Russian serfs in 1861, beating Lincoln to an emancipation by a few months. Note Russia was a laggard in this freeing action as far as Europe goes.

Maybe the Czar was thinking of this when rejecting the French/Brit proposal.

Dont like what the NYT writes, oh well