Where We Get Our Electric

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July 22nd, 2020 at 9:33:17 PM permalink
Evenbob
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Interesting site. MI has 3 nuke power
plants. What's really interesting is
that electric output peaked in 2007
and has been declining ever since
because its gotten so much more efficient
every year.

https://www.carbonbrief.org/mapped-how-the-us-generates-electricity
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July 24th, 2020 at 2:46:12 AM permalink
Pacomartin
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Quote: Evenbob
MI has 3 nuke power plants.


PA has 5 nuke power plants including 3-Mile Island.

Nuclear GENERATION (Megawatthours)
US-TOTAL 1,614,168,954
1 IL 196,203,054
2 PA 166,953,488 ----------------
3 SC 105,432,938
4 NY 85,838,022
5 NC 84,153,898
6 TX 82,371,478
7 AL 78,925,654
8 TN 72,352,764
9 GA 68,725,352
10 NJ 63,964,212
11 AZ 62,194,518
12 MI 60,957,388 ----------------
13 FL 58,624,698
14 VA 58,503,336
15 OH 36,630,014
16 CA 36,427,038
17 LA 34,305,164
18 CT 33,762,984
19 MD 29,975,862
20 MN 29,202,658
21 AR 25,441,636
22 MO 21,310,558
23 WI 20,258,244
24 NH 20,123,392
25 WA 19,416,882
26 KS 18,336,578
27 MS 13,838,940
28 NE 11,264,280
29 IA 9,790,798
30 MA 8,883,126
July 24th, 2020 at 9:08:18 AM permalink
Evenbob
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Quote: Pacomartin
PA has 5 nuke power plants including 3-Mile Island.


When I was a kid, if the power went
out in your vicinity, your power went
out. It's much more localized now.
I've seen the power go out 300 yards
from me and mine is just fine.
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July 24th, 2020 at 3:31:26 PM permalink
Fleastiff
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I think it is electrical transmission costs that are high rather than generation.

technology alters all things Tesla complained of its skilled workers being poached'.
July 25th, 2020 at 4:38:13 AM permalink
odiousgambit
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there is some kind of argument going around that if we had a big national plan and used more standardization and all the modern innovations in building new nuclear plants that this would make them quite competitive in the cost of producing electricity, whereas one of the knocks against nuclear so far has been that they have to be subsidized. This proposed project has a name I can't find yet.

couldn't really find this on the page at Wikipedia, which mentions however that extending the life of nuclear plants has been quite successful, up to 80 years, and mentions 100 year possibilities
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July 25th, 2020 at 4:52:48 AM permalink
AZDuffman
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Quote: odiousgambit
there is some kind of argument going around that if we had a big national plan and used more standardization and all the modern innovations in building new nuclear plants that this would make them quite competitive in the cost of producing electricity, whereas one of the knocks against nuclear so far has been that they have to be subsidized. This proposed project has a name I can't find yet.


I read about standardization way back in the 1980s. The USA was the only nation not to have a "standard" nuclear plant design. Any other nation they had one design, presumably modular so you could have more than one reactor. But if you wanted to put one up there was no approval for design needed, you just picked the place and they approved from there. The USA was all custom. Meaning the NRC had to take years to check out the design.

Even with more than one company building plants this seems very inefficient. Get one design. Use the most proven design, we built 103 of them! After it is approved say "that's it" and allow no more objections on design. Build the things!
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July 25th, 2020 at 9:58:32 AM permalink
Pacomartin
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Quote: AZDuffman
Meaning the NRC had to take years to check out the design.


France is the poster child having only three basic designs for their 58 plants. As a direct result of the 1973 oil crisis, they standardized. They approved a 10 year extension for all 34 of the basic design at once. That is a little less than half their generation capacity in one approval process.

France produces over 70% of its electric power from nuclear, by far the highest percentage in the world/

Num*MWe = MWe / class
34*900=30,600
20*1300=26,000
4*1500=6,000
total 58 plants = 62,600
July 25th, 2020 at 10:12:58 AM permalink
Evenbob
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I knew an old lady 40 years
ago who was a millionaire
from investing in utilities.
Her husband started buying
stock in power companies
in the 1930's and kept buying
more with the profits. It
snowballed and by the 80's
they were worth millions.
His theory was no matter the
economy we always need electric.
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July 25th, 2020 at 10:37:56 AM permalink
Fleastiff
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Quote: Evenbob
Hisis theory was no matter the economy we always need electric.
Quite sensible.
July 25th, 2020 at 10:42:24 AM permalink
AZDuffman
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Quote: Evenbob
I knew an old lady 40 years
ago who was a millionaire
from investing in utilities.
Her husband started buying
stock in power companies
in the 1930's and kept buying
more with the profits. It
snowballed and by the 80's
they were worth millions.
His theory was no matter the
economy we always need electric.


I got into them a few years back, had I done so in the mid 1990s when I started working I would be better off than the ups and downs. No kidding! I called to move my IRA money and the guy on the other end said "let me look it up" then I asked the historical returns. When he gave them he had a reaction of "why has nobody here (ie: his supervisors) noticed these returns?!"
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