Presidential Election 2020 Biden vs. Trump

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October 2nd, 2020 at 9:21:35 AM permalink
Mission146
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Dumb question.... Voting has already started..... let's say Trump passes on due to this infection. Are all Trump votes automatically now just "replacement Republican" votes? As you technically are not voting for Trump, but a slate of electors?


Would likely be too late to take Trump off the ballot, anyway (even without early voting). I should assume that it would convert to being a Pence vote absent the RNC declaring otherwise. Technically, they’d have to declare a replacement candidate...but you’re losing anyway, so why make it anyone but Pence?
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October 2nd, 2020 at 9:35:57 AM permalink
kewlj
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I asked the question last night at WOV, what happens if Trump were unable to continue as Republican nominee? Unfortunately the thread was closed with no one answering.

Doing a little search today, you see that as far as President goes, the 25th amendment kicks in and Pence would be sworn in, which everyone knew. But apparently the Republican party would have to some how choose a new candidate at this late point.....that wouldn't automatically go to Pence (although I suspect he would emerge at this late point).

But then you get into the issue that voting has already started. How do those ballets already submitted with votes for Trump be counted? It would be a real mess with unprecedented legal challenges and rulings.
October 2nd, 2020 at 9:43:07 AM permalink
Mission146
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Quote: kewlj
I asked the question last night at WOV, what happens if Trump were unable to continue as Republican nominee? Unfortunately the thread was closed with no one answering.

Doing a little search today, you see that as far as President goes, the 25th amendment kicks in and Pence would be sworn in, which everyone knew. But apparently the Republican party would have to some how choose a new candidate at this late point.....that wouldn't automatically go to Pence (although I suspect he would emerge at this late point).

But then you get into the issue that voting has already started. How do those ballets already submitted with votes for Trump be counted? It would be a real mess with unprecedented legal challenges and rulings.


That was kind of my point, the ballots would still say, “Trump,” but the vote would default to whoever the RNC nominates. In many states, I believe it’s already legally too late to change the actual ballots.
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October 2nd, 2020 at 10:21:27 AM permalink
kewlj
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When I was in high school a state, I think Missouri elected a dead man to the Senate. He had been killed in an airplane crash a few weeks before the election and it was to late to remove him from the ballot. His wife ended up serving his term.

On a side note: how bad of a candidate do you have to be to lose to a dead man? lol.
October 2nd, 2020 at 11:42:08 AM permalink
terapined
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Quote: SOOPOO
Dumb question.... Voting has already started..... let's say Trump passes on due to this infection.

Simple
Trump wins, Pence is President
Biden wins, Biden is President
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October 2nd, 2020 at 11:50:42 AM permalink
Mission146
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Quote: terapined
Simple
Trump wins, Pence is President
Biden wins, Biden is President


Effectively, probably. Although, the RNC is not beholden to nominating Pence. They can nominate whoever they wish.
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October 2nd, 2020 at 12:00:49 PM permalink
Dalex64
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Quote: Mission146
Effectively, probably. Although, the RNC is not beholden to nominating Pence. They can nominate whoever they wish.


I don't think it's quite that simple.

Lots of articles out there on the internet now about it, unsurprisingly.

It's too late in most states to change who is on the ballot. Some states don't allow open write-ins, so it's too late to register as a write-in, too.

The supreme court recently upheld state's faithless elector laws. If trump wins, but is dead, dies, or is otherwise incapacitated, state laws might require them to cast their votes for trump anyway. the party could put forth another name, though, and the electors even bound by those laws could vote for that other person anyway. I think most of the faithless elector laws don't have much for punishment, and even if it did get that far they probably wouldn't be punished.

Depending on how that went, if no one got enough electoral votes, then it goes to the house of representatives, where each state gets one vote. At that point, since the republicans have more states, they would pick either pence or whoever the party has put forth at that point.

So yeah, it could be pence, it could be someone else, but it isn't automatic.
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October 2nd, 2020 at 1:02:41 PM permalink
DRich
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The votes are not for Trump. They are for his electoral college representatives who can vote for whomever they choose (in most states).
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October 3rd, 2020 at 10:09:58 AM permalink
Evenbob
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The Lefties are screaming the debates
have to be cancelled, the Senate
has to halt the SCOTUS hearing
IMMEDIATELY, until Trump is done
lying in state and is buried. Funny
stuff..
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October 3rd, 2020 at 10:31:27 AM permalink
ams288
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Quote: Evenbob
The Lefties are screaming the debates
have to be cancelled


Hahaha.... no way!

I wanna see Donny forced to stand on stage for 90 minutes debating without croaking. I’ll be very impressed.
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