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January 31st, 2021 at 2:44:32 PM permalink
FrGamble
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Quote: petroglyph
I disagree. The problem is most folks including you, overuse "to death" the word love. It is the most overused and under experienced word in the English language.


I agree with you that "love" is the most overused and misunderstood word in the English language. The Greeks had four words for love so it could more properly be used to describe things like friendship, family, physical attraction, and the total gift of self notion of love.

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When marriage is good or possibly "the best", it isn't work at all.


I agree that the person in a good or wonderful marriage doesn't feel like it is work at all. However, they are always doing the hard things like being patient with the kids, loving their spouse and putting their needs first, working hard to support and care for the family. However, when everyone is doing this and loving each other the hard work is an easy burden most times.

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But staying in a marriage that shouldn't have happened, or has become bitter , is a waste of life.


Surprisingly perhaps I agree with you. Staying in a marriage can be torture for some people. I also like the way you worded the statement, "a marriage that shouldn't have happened". That sentiment is the exact understanding of a Catholic annulment when it is granted.
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January 31st, 2021 at 7:15:23 PM permalink
Wizard
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Quote: FrGamble
The Greeks had four words for love so it could more properly be used to describe things like friendship, family, physical attraction, and the total gift of self notion of love.


Which did they have besides eros, philos, and agape?
Knowledge is Good -- Emil Faber
January 31st, 2021 at 8:00:16 PM permalink
FrGamble
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They also had storge.
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January 27th, 2023 at 2:41:58 AM permalink
DoubleGold
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Quote: DRich
I have to agree with Bob.


Evaluating right and wrong (or any value such as good and bad, etc.) is primarily a function of our conscience.

The conscience resides in the human spirit.

The human spirit is outside of the soul (not part of self).

The mind, will, and emotion reside in the soul.

The soul and human spirit are connected at the "heart" (spiritual heart).

There's a switch that takes place when processing information, between the human spirit and the soul.

So knowing something is not necessarily all in our mind.

The mind in the soul checks the conscience in the human spirit.

However, if the conscience is obstructed for whatever reason, the mind is effectively operating by itself.

The conscience can act like a mechanical governor for external wisdom, which is another part of the human spirit.
January 27th, 2023 at 3:21:58 AM permalink
DoubleGold
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"So is everything just an opinion to you? Is there such a thing as Truth?"



FrGamble, I noticed the conversation became focused on Truth.

I figure there are two kinds of truth: Absolute Truth and Relative Truth.

Absolute Truth is God (for an atheist it could be considered a force outside of self).

Relative Truth is what each of us thinks the Absolute Truth is.

Absolute Truth is constant and never changes, while Relative Truth always changes.

The difference of the two truths is Self-Deception.

Self-Deception is a magnitude stored on our conscience.

Our conscience can be isolated and operated on.

To isolate our conscience, we can switch our focus (conscious) from self (soul) to not self (humility).

We can switch modes at will (contained inside the soul).

One mode is a selfish mode and one is an unselfish mode.

Self is finite and not self is infinite.

Another way to write this is self is powerless and not self is powerful.
February 2nd, 2023 at 6:26:39 AM permalink
rxwine
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This is a strange place, and extraordinary place, and
interesting. There is nothing resembling it at home. The
people are all insane, the other animals are all insane, the
earth is insane, Nature itself is insane. Man is a marvelous
curiosity. When he is at his very very best he is a sort of
low grade nickel-plated angel; at is worst he is
unspeakable, unimaginable; and first and last and all the
time he is a sarcasm. Yet he blandly and in all sincerity
calls himself the "noblest work of God." This is the truth I
am telling you. And this is not a new idea with him, he has
talked it through all the ages, and believed it. Believed it,
and found nobody among all his race to laugh at it.
Moreover -- if I may put another strain upon you -- he
thinks he is the Creator's pet. He believes the Creator is
proud of him; he even believes the Creator loves him; has
a passion for him; sits up nights to admire him; yes, and
watch over him and keep him out of trouble. He prays to
Him, and thinks He listens. Isn't it a quaint idea? Fills his
prayers with crude and bald and florid flatteries of Him, and
thinks He sits and purrs over these extravagancies and
enjoys them. He prays for help, and favor, and protection,
every day; and does it with hopefulness and confidence, too,
although no prayer of his has ever been answered. The
daily affront, the daily defeat, do not discourage , he
goes on praying just the same. There is something almost
fine about this perseverance. I must put one more strain
upon you: he thinks he is going to heaven!
He has salaried teachers who tell him that. They also tell
him there is a hell, of everlasting fire, and that he will go to it
if he doesn't keep the Commandments. What are
Commandments? They are a curiosity. I will tell you about
them by and by.


https://www.cs.umd.edu/~mvz/bible/ltrs-from-earth.pdf
You believe in an invisible god, and dismiss people who say they are trans? Really?
February 2nd, 2023 at 6:36:30 AM permalink
rxwine
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I think this position is the best I can do as far as a deity.

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Apathetic agnosticism
A view related to apatheism, apathetic agnosticism claims that no amount of debate can prove or disprove the existence of one or more deities, and if one or more deities exist, they do not appear to be concerned about the fate of humans; therefore, their existence has little to no impact on personal human affairs. This view has also been called Pragmatic Agnosticism.[8][9]
You believe in an invisible god, and dismiss people who say they are trans? Really?
February 2nd, 2023 at 6:45:01 AM permalink
DoubleGold
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I think faith is a requirement for humans to grasp Absolute Truth.
February 2nd, 2023 at 6:55:38 AM permalink
DRich
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Quote: DoubleGold
I think faith is a requirement for humans to grasp Absolute Truth.


I guess it would depend on your definition of Absolute Truth. I subscribe to this definition that has no religious connotations:

"absolute truth is whatever is always valid, regardless of parameters or context. The absolute in the term connotes one or more of: a quality of truth that cannot be exceeded; complete truth; unvarying and permanent truth."
At my age a Life In Prison sentence is not much of a detrrent.
February 2nd, 2023 at 7:09:14 AM permalink
DoubleGold
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Quote: DRich
I guess it would depend on your definition of Absolute Truth. I subscribe to this definition that has no religious connotations:

"absolute truth is whatever is always valid, regardless of parameters or context. The absolute in the term connotes one or more of: a quality of truth that cannot be exceeded; complete truth; unvarying and permanent truth."



I don't disagree with any of that but I think there is more.

The reason is because of the way a human was designed.

Some refer to life as living in an illusion or even in a digital matrix.

Just the way our eyes work is strange.

So we must have a work around for this in our design.
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