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December 25th, 2018 at 1:00:08 PM permalink
FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596	Interestingly enough it was rediscovered by a serious return to poverty and simplicity. Thanks very much and I hope you have a great day! “It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” (

December 25th, 2018 at 2:37:38 PM permalink

AZDuffman

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Diocesan priests take a promise of simplicity and religious brothers, priests, friars, sisters, and nuns take a vow of poverty. I do happen to agree with Evenbob that often times diocesan priests can play a little fast and loose with the definition of simplicity. However, in regards to the vow of poverty it is complete and awesome. You own nothing or any value. Things like cars and such are owned by the community and any of your gifts get thrown into the community pot so to speak.

Back to the promise of simplicity - what I don't think Evenbob is taking into consideration is that priests in the average diocese might make close to $30,000 after many years of service and they might have even paid off their car so it is actually theirs, but they don't have any home. It is true they don't have to pay for housing, but your average rectory is far, far away from the luxury houses Evenbob dreams priests live in. They also don't own a home and with the charitable giving and the needs of their parish it is hard to save up much of anything. Anyway, the priesthood is a glorious life and I love it. However, don't let Bob fool you; it is a life of service and humility. One of obedience and sacrifice. It is one where I get to help people every day and be there for their most joyous days, their worst days, and their last days. It is every Christmas the one and greatest gift I thank the Good Lord for, the gift of the priesthood.

What exactly is a Friar? I always though that was an extinct title.

Is there a difference between a sister and a nun? I always thought they were nuns but their title was sister.

I’ll back the Padre up on at least the rectory my childhood parish had. It looked clean and comfortable but otherwise was like a rooming house where they had a private bedroom but the rest was shared.

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December 25th, 2018 at 2:58:26 PM permalink

Evenbob

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Quote: AZDuffman
What exactly is a Friar? is there a difference between a sister and a nun? .

Interesting stats. 85% of US priests had
Catholic parents and were raised Catholic.
In the next 6 years the number of priests
and nuns over 70 will outnumber those
under 70 by 4 to 1.

That's a huge problem. Once they hit
70, they're eligible for the Church retirement
benefits, whether they retire or not. And
there aren't enough people going into
the vocation to replace those retiring.

They will have to ordain women, they'll
have no choice. 30 years ago the number
of clergy over 70 was 7%. In 6 years it
will be 75%. You do the math.

http://www.usccb.org/about/public-affairs/backgrounders/clergy-religious.cfm

If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose.

December 25th, 2018 at 3:06:33 PM permalink
aceofspades Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 83 Posts: 2019	St. Patrick's Cathedral's rectory looks elegant enough http://www.mbbarch.com/work/st-patricks-cathedral-rectory

December 25th, 2018 at 6:23:51 PM permalink
FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596	The retirement benefits for nuns is out of this world! Where do you get the stats you mentioned about percentage of priests over 70? “It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” (

December 25th, 2018 at 7:15:55 PM permalink

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When I was a claims adjuster for Social Security one question you had to ask every applicant for retirement was whether they had taken a vow of poverty. Fortunately, I never had anyone answer "yes." I would have had no idea what to do as they didn't need to meet the normal conditions to be "fully insured."

Padre, how would you have answered the question? Do you pay into Social Security?

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December 25th, 2018 at 8:22:23 PM permalink
petroglyph Member since: Aug 3, 2014 Threads: 25 Posts: 6227	Quote: FrGamble The retirement benefits for nuns is out of this world! Where do you get the stats you mentioned about percentage of priests over 70? Isn't that at the bottom of the post? http://www.usccb.org/about/public-affairs/backgrounders/clergy-religious.cfm The last official act of any government is to loot the treasury. GW

December 25th, 2018 at 8:30:48 PM permalink

kenarman

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Quote: Evenbob
In the orig movie MASH, the chaplain was
a Presbyterian, not a priest. Hawkeye
made unrelenting fun of him, calling
him 'father' and 'padre'. Fun in a
sarcastic loathing way.

Many battlefield doctors resented the
hell out of the clergy. The doctors
knew they were the ones saving lives,
god had nothing to do with any of it.
They hated the clergy swooping in
and giving their phony baloney god
credit.

Just to set the record straight on the movie M.A.S.H. This quote is from Wiki.

René Auberjonois - Wikipedia
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René Murat Auberjonois is an American actor and singer. In films, Auberjonois has portrayed Father Mulcahy in MASH (1970), and Chef Louis in The Little ...

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December 25th, 2018 at 8:39:11 PM permalink
Fleastiff Member since: Oct 27, 2012 Threads: 62 Posts: 7831	Quote: FrGamble Interestingly enough it was rediscovered by a serious return to poverty and simplicity. Thanks very much and I hope you have a great day! I'm glad that things worked out for you that way. Poverty sure has not done any great wonders for me. my Christmas present from Amazon was to turn off all my video or movie access.

December 25th, 2018 at 8:57:14 PM permalink

FrGamble

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Quote: petroglyph
Isn't that at the bottom of the post?

http://www.usccb.org/about/public-affairs/backgrounders/clergy-religious.cfm

I didn't see anything about the percentage of priests who will be over 70 in a few years. Maybe I missed it.

In regards to Wiz's question, when we are ordained we have a choice to participate and pay into Social Security. Just about every diocesan priest I know does participate.

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