Hardest Question on International Mathematical Olympiad
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Pacomartin Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 1068 Posts: 12569 | I actually took this test as an undergraduate. List of The first International Mathematical Olympiads was held in Romania in 1959. It was initially founded for eastern European member countries of the Warsaw Pact, under the USSR bloc of influence, but later other countries participated as well. Because of this eastern origin, the IMOs were first hosted only in eastern European countries and gradually spread to other nations. The examination consists of six problems. Each problem is worth seven points, so the maximum total score is 42 points. No calculators are allowed. The examination is held over two consecutive days; each day the contestants have four-and-a-half hours to solve three problems. This question is considered to be the hardest problem ever asked. It is almost 30 years old. If a,b are positive integers, and Etop=a^2+b^2 Ebot=ab+1 and E=Etop/Ebot then prove that whenever E is an integer, it is also a perfect square. The test takers would not have the luxury of using a spreadsheet to look at a few cases, but I am printing one out. I highlighted the cases where E is an integer (which are also perfect squares).
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December 24th, 2018 at 4:33:43 AM permalink | |
AZDuffman Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 135 Posts: 18204 |
ABANDON SHIP! The President is a fink. |
December 24th, 2018 at 12:28:47 PM permalink | |
Pacomartin Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 1068 Posts: 12569 |
Number theory questions are often easy to state, but impossible to prove. Goldbach's conjecture, dating from 1742, is one of the oldest unsolved problems in number theory and in all of mathematics. He said every even integer greater than two is the sum of two prime numbers. For example, 4 = 2 + 2 6 = 3 + 3 8 = 3 + 5 10 = 3 + 7 = 5 + 5 12 = 5 + 7 14 = 3 + 11 = 7 + 7 etc. It's been tested up to 400 trillion and no exception can be found, but the conjecture has never been proven. |
December 24th, 2018 at 1:32:46 PM permalink | |
AZDuffman Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 135 Posts: 18204 |
Has anyone proven that there is an infinite number of prime numbers? The President is a fink. |
December 24th, 2018 at 2:18:19 PM permalink | |
Wizard Administrator Member since: Oct 23, 2012 Threads: 239 Posts: 6095 |
Yes. Here it goes. If there were a finite number of primes, numbered p1, p2, p3, etc. Then consider a number q such that q = p1 * p2 * p3 *... + 1, where q is the product of every prime, plus 1. q cannot divide any one of the known primes evenly, because there will always be a remainder of 1. Thus, there must be some other prime not on the list that it divides, if q isn't prime, or it is prime itself. Usually, this is stated as a proof there is no largest prime, but the same proof shows there must always be more primes out there. Knowledge is Good -- Emil Faber |
December 25th, 2018 at 5:05:35 AM permalink | |
DRich Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 51 Posts: 4961 |
Thank you. That is a new one to me. At my age a Life In Prison sentence is not much of a detrrent. |
December 25th, 2018 at 6:16:27 AM permalink | |
AZDuffman Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 135 Posts: 18204 |
This is a ton to take in on Christmas Morning. Theoretical math was never my strong suit, always had to have it practical. I did some other research and saw that any whole number can be factored down to a series of primes multiplied together. I remember doing those factor trees in about third grade, never to be looked at again. "Thus, there must be some other prime not on the list that it divides, if q isn't prime, or it is prime itself." I am not getting my arms around that. q can never be prime here because odd times odd is always odd and adding one always makes it even. So I can take any prime in the series and divide it into q and I will always have a remainder of 1. Got those two parts, I assume. I just feel the rest is saying "there are infinite primes because there are infinite numbers so there have to be infinite primes." Which is in danger of taking me down a math vs. logic discussion. The President is a fink. |
December 25th, 2018 at 7:24:54 AM permalink | |
Dalex64 Member since: Mar 8, 2014 Threads: 3 Posts: 3687 | Example Q = p1 * p2 + 1 7 = 2 * 3 + 1 Most prime number stuff has to account for 2 "Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts." Daniel Patrick Moynihan |
December 25th, 2018 at 8:38:40 AM permalink | |
Wizard Administrator Member since: Oct 23, 2012 Threads: 239 Posts: 6095 |
Let's say the only primes we know about are 2, 3, 5, and 7. Then let q = 2*3*5*7 + 1 = 211, which turns out to be prime. Lets consider q=2*3*5*7*11+1 = 2311, which turns out to be prime too. How about q=2*3*5*7*11*13+1 = 30031, which has prime factorization 59*509 (source). So in using this method we always find a new prime bigger than the last known largest one. q will never divide a prime on the known primes list, because of that +1, it will cause a remainder of 1 when you divide. Because you can always add more primes to the list, there must be an infinite number of them. Knowledge is Good -- Emil Faber |
December 26th, 2018 at 8:45:32 AM permalink | |
Pacomartin Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 1068 Posts: 12569 | Back to the subject of the thread
It's fairly easy to see that if one of the two positive integers is the cube of the other, then E is a perfect square. For instance, if b=a^3 then Etop=a^2+b^2 = a^2(1+a^4) and Ebot=ab+1= a^4+1 so E=Etop/Ebot = a^2 if a=b^3 then Etop=a^2+b^2 = b^2(1+b^4) and Ebot=ab+1= b^4+1 so E=Etop/Ebot = b^2 Using the GCD (greatest common divisor) function in spread-sheet you can see that the ONLY integer results for E are when b=a^3 or a=b^3. But it would seem to be one of the most difficult problems in the world to prove (in under three hours). You can google "international mathematical olympiad question 6" to see articles and videos about this problem. |