Nevada ballot questions 2018
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6 members have voted
October 27th, 2018 at 4:55:19 PM permalink | |
Wizard Administrator Member since: Oct 23, 2012 Threads: 239 Posts: 6095 | So, does question 1 give crime victims more rights, or just inform them of rights they already have? For a while there I had am image in my head of crime victims being read something like the Miranda rights, perhaps call them the Marsy Rights. Knowledge is Good -- Emil Faber |
October 27th, 2018 at 6:34:53 PM permalink | |
petroglyph Member since: Aug 3, 2014 Threads: 25 Posts: 6227 | I was responding to the questions posed by Wiz, not the ballot measures verbatim. : ) Then after you responded, I had to go read the darn thing. Sheesh, way more than I wanted to know. https://www.clarkcountynv.gov/election/Documents/2018/NV1-18G.pdf From link: "ARGUMENTS FOR PASSAGE Question 1, commonly known as Marsy’s Law, expands and elevates victims’ rights from a statutory level to a constitutional level to ensure victims receive the fairness, respect and protection they deserve as they navigate the criminal or juvenile justice process. Question 1 gives crime victims constitutional rights equal in stature to those given to the accused and convicted." Arguments against: Question 1 also creates complex and costly burdens on the State and local governments. The expanded notification provisions will likely require additional staff, technological changes and other resources, all of which will be paid for by taxpayers. It always boils down to the money. Arguments that the measure will diminish funds the state wants? They already have asset confiscation. When I first read it and during my reply I vacillated >once whether to use innocent or victim in my response. I thought of them interchangeably. I envisioned poor victims like single mothers victimized by bullying ex's. or who had had their property ruined maliciously. I am more concerned with them continuing their pursuit of happiness, than the victimizer. Either way it goes, it is a giant can of worms. The last official act of any government is to loot the treasury. GW |
October 27th, 2018 at 7:50:35 PM permalink | |
rxwine Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 189 Posts: 18750 |
It's probably not a bad idea to make sure you know what you're getting on a proposition. It will probably show up again in some form if enough people believe in it. I vote for very few of them most times. You believe in an invisible god, and dismiss people who say they are trans? Really? |
October 28th, 2018 at 4:30:17 AM permalink | |
AZDuffman Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 135 Posts: 18202 |
I think AZ was the first state to have a "plain language" law that showed the legal wording at the polling but beside it had something most people could understand. When I lived there they once had 2 measures that if passed would contradict each other completely. I forget how that ended up. The President is a fink. |
October 28th, 2018 at 6:24:14 AM permalink | |
Wizard Administrator Member since: Oct 23, 2012 Threads: 239 Posts: 6095 |
That happened here too, in 2006. Both called themselves "clean air" acts, but one was a trick (prop 4), giving smokers more rights and access, while prop 5 truly banned smoking in public places that served food, including bars, but having some exemptions for "casinos." I don't remember what was supposed to happen if both passed, but they would have completely contradicted each other. However, only prop 5 was passed, which I was very pleased for. However, the legislature quietly overturned it five years later. Just goes to show why I oppose the general idea of propositions in the first place. This is supposed to be a republic, not a democracy. Knowledge is Good -- Emil Faber |
November 1st, 2018 at 11:52:29 AM permalink | |
AZDuffman Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 135 Posts: 18202 |
Just saw a piece on the "more rights" one (love working from home!) Basically it just forces the courts to give the victim information about the proceedings of the case. Might also seal the victims personal info from the perp, the woman on TV said her perp was given her home and work addresses, supposedly so he would steer clear of them. Kind of crazy there. So I would vote "yes" on that one. It is kind of what I figured it was about. The President is a fink. |
November 1st, 2018 at 1:28:06 PM permalink | |
Pacomartin Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 1068 Posts: 12569 |
Victims already have 8 rights in Nevada. In theory the first right should cover the general question of finding out about proceedings. The question is are the current set of right s inadequate. The Wizard's daughter may say yes, and the additional requirements are a redundant expense. To know the status of the case in which you are involved To be free from intimidation or dissuasion To know when your impounded property may be released. To receive a witness fee for lawful obedience to a subpoena. To understand the existing victim compensation laws and receive compensation if applicable. To a secure waiting area, which is not available to the defendant or his family, when you are at court. To know when the defendant is released from custody before or during trial (upon written request). To know when the offender is released from prison (upon written request). |
November 1st, 2018 at 2:31:19 PM permalink | |
AZDuffman Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 135 Posts: 18202 |
If I heard it correctly the difference is making notifications active vs. passive. The President is a fink. |
November 1st, 2018 at 5:09:40 PM permalink | |
Pacomartin Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 1068 Posts: 12569 |
It is a Bill of Rights, but I don't think there is a standard sentence you must read. I don't know how they enact right #17. Marsy’s Law significantly expands the rights of victims in California. Under Marsy’s Law, the California Constitution article I, § 28, section (b) now provides victims with the following enumerated rights:
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November 1st, 2018 at 5:36:48 PM permalink | |
terapined Member since: Aug 6, 2014 Threads: 73 Posts: 11791 | This has been playing on TV a lot in Tampa Pretty powerful Sometimes we live no particular way but our own - Grateful Dead "Eyes of the World" |