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February 10th, 2018 at 10:28:21 PM permalink
Pacomartin
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'Cheddar Man', Britain's oldest nearly complete skeleton at 10,000 years old, is revealed for the first time and with unprecedented accuracy by UCL and Natural History Museum researchers. Cheddar Man was unearthed in 1903 at Cheddar Gorge, Somerset.

It is generally believed that mankind's natural pigmentation was dark, and "white skin" was an trait chosen by natural selection in northern Europe. The reduced Vitamin D in areas of the world with low sunlight favored white skin. In Siberia, which has much less sunlight, humans remained dark skinned because of their diet.

This reconstruction tends to move the transition to much more recent times than what is normally assumed.
February 10th, 2018 at 11:22:11 PM permalink
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The reduced Vitamin D in areas of the world with low sunlight favored white skin. .


"The weaker the ultraviolet light, the fairer the skin. Jablonski went on to show that people living above 50 degrees latitude have the highest risk of vitamin D deficiency. "This was one of the last barriers in the history of human settlement," Jablonski says. "Only after humans learned fishing, and therefore had access to food rich in vitamin D, could they settle these regions." Dark-skinned people who move to cloudy climes can develop conditions such as rickets from vitamin D deficiencies. Skin color, they say, is largely a matter of vitamins."

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/evolution/library/07/3/text_pop/l_073_04.html
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February 11th, 2018 at 7:33:29 AM permalink
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Jablonski went on to show that people living above 50 degrees latitude have the highest risk of vitamin D deficiency. "This was one of the last barriers in the history of human settlement


While Jablonski's theories of white skin developing as a way to combat Vitamin D deficiency are generally accepted, a timeline is much more difficult to establish.

If you think about it, 10K years ago the world population is estimated to be about 5 million. So there were probably only a few hundred thousand in Britain. Cheddar Man was discovered over a century ago, and no more intact skeletons have been discovered since. So it is difficult to determine if white skin became predominant 50K years ago or 5K years ago.
February 12th, 2018 at 6:24:19 AM permalink
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This reconstruction tends to move the transition to much more recent times than what is normally assumed.


And for some reason this mere fact is going to make a lot of racists angry.
Fresh out of clues. Did you really expect anything?
February 12th, 2018 at 10:22:55 AM permalink
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Quote: Pacomartin
While Jablonski's theories of white skin developing as a way to combat Vitamin D deficiency are generally accepted, a timeline is much more difficult to establish.

If you think about it, 10K years ago the world population is estimated to be about 5 million. So there were probably only a few hundred thousand in Britain. Cheddar Man was discovered over a century ago, and no more intact skeletons have been discovered since. So it is difficult to determine if white skin became predominant 50K years ago or 5K years ago.

Scientists were able to sequence the DNA from the remains of a guy who lived in Spain 7000 years ago. They found that he had blue eyes but dark hair and skin suggesting that white skin in Europe evolved within the last 7k years.

http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-25885519
February 12th, 2018 at 10:52:07 AM permalink
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And for some reason this mere fact is going to make a lot of racists angry.


What keeps the racists going is
nobody can figure out why the
IQ's in Europe and Asia are
the highest in the world. The top
10 are all in Asia or Europe, the
further south you go the more
it drops.

Hong Kong 108
1 Singapore 108
2 South Korea 106
3 Japan 105
3 China 105
4 Taiwan 104
5 Italy 102
6 Iceland 101
6 Mongolia 101
6 Switzerland 101
7 Austria 100
7 Luxembourg 100
7 Netherlands 100
7 Norway 100
7 United Kingdom 100
8 Belgium 99
8 Canada 99
8 Estonia 99
8 Finland 99
8 Germany 99
8 Poland 99
8 Sweden 99
9 Andorra 98
9 Australia 98
9 Czech Republic 98
9 Denmark Denmark 98
9 France France 98
9 Hungary Hungary 98
9 Latvia Latvia 98
9 Spain Spain 98
9 United States United States 98
10 Belarus Belarus 97
10 Malta Malta 97
10 Russia 97
Ukraine Ukraine 97
11 Moldova Moldova 96
11 Slovakia Slovakia 96
11 Slovenia Slovenia 96
11 Uruguay Uruguay 96
12 Israel Israel 95
12 Portugal Portugal 95
13 Armenia Armenia 94
13 Georgia Georgia 94
13 Kazakhstan Kazakhstan 94
13 Romania Romania 94
13 Vietnam Vietnam 94
14 Argentina Argentina 93
14 Bulgaria Bulgaria 93
15 Greece Greece 92
15 Ireland Ireland 92
15 Malaysia Malaysia 92
16 Brunei Brunei 91
16 Cambodia Cambodia 91
16 Cyprus Cyprus 91
16 Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia 91
16 Lithuania Lithuania 91
16 Sierra Leone Sierra Leone 91
16 Thailand Thailand 91
17 Albania Albania 90
17 Bosnia and Herzegovina Bosnia and Herzegovina 90
17 Chile Chile 90
17 Croatia Croatia 90
17 Kyrgyzstan Kyrgyzstan 90
17 Turkey Turkey 90
18 Costa Rica Costa Rica 89
18 Laos Laos 89
18 Mauritius Mauritius 89
18 Serbia Serbia 89
18 Suriname Suriname 89
19 Ecuador Ecuador 88
19 Mexico Mexico 88
19 Samoa Samoa 88
20 Azerbaijan Azerbaijan 87
20 Bolivia Bolivia 87
20 Nauru Nauru 87
20 Guyana Guyana 87
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20 Myanmar Myanmar 87
20 Tajikistan Tajikistan 87
20 Turkmenistan Turkmenistan 87
20 Uzbekistan Uzbekistan 87
21 Kuwait Kuwait 86
21 Philippines Philippines 86
21 Seychelles Seychelles 86
21 Tonga Tonga 86
22 Cuba Cuba 85
22 Eritrea Eritrea 85
22 Fiji Fiji 85
22 Kiribati Kiribati 85
22 Peru Peru 85
22 Trinidad and Tobago Trinidad and Tobago 85
22 Yemen Yemen 85
23 Afghanistan Afghanistan 84
23 The Bahamas The Bahamas 84
23 Belize Belize 84
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23 Jordan Jordan 84
23 Marshall Islands Marshall Islands 84
23 Micronesia Micronesia 84
23 Morocco Morocco 84
23 Nigeria Nigeria 84
23 Pakistan Pakistan 84
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February 12th, 2018 at 11:14:31 AM permalink
Pacomartin
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And for some reason this mere fact is going to make a lot of racists angry.


I don't know what will make a racist angry.
IThe estimate world population was roughly 5 million 10,000 years ago and between 400 and 500 million in the later Middle Ages (between 1000AD and 1500AD)
We know that there was the underpinnings of racial ideas in the Middle Ages although the more formal theories were not developed until the 1700s.

Racists may get angry at anything, not just the timeline. Many racists think that different races had different ancestry (often citing the sons of Noah).
February 12th, 2018 at 1:29:51 PM permalink
Nareed
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I don't know what will make a racist angry.


The notion that his ancestors had dark skin.

Which is incredibly stupid and ignorant. aside from the basic fallacies in the racist argument (such as it is), H. Sapien originated in Africa, meaning all our ancestors were black or dark-skinned at some point.

I wonder if the Cheddar Man feat can be repeated with existing neanderthal remains. H. neanderthalensis is found far and wide in Europe, and I suspect they had dark skin, too. Seeing as how most people, if not all, have neanderthal genes, well, that also ought to make the Trumpians angry.
Fresh out of clues. Did you really expect anything?
February 12th, 2018 at 2:39:35 PM permalink
Pacomartin
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The notion that his ancestors had dark skin.


I meant that the idea that the transition from dark skin to white skin was less than 10,000 years ago instead of much earlier. The traditional date of Noah's flood was roughly 4400 years ago, and the idea that the races developed from the son's of Noah has been around since the middle ages.

The hardcore racists who believe that the different races had nothing in common don't care what scientists theorize about the timeline. They reject the common ancestry theory entirely.

Voltaire was a famous philosopher who claimed two different species:"The negro race is a species of men different from ours as the breed of spaniels is from that of greyhounds. The mucous membrane, or network, which nature has spread between the muscles and the skin, is white in us and black or copper-colored in them."


Georges Cuvier ( 23 August 1769 – 13 May 1832)) is the father of paleontology, and had a huge influence on science which Darwin built upon. Darwin's voyage of the Beagle began the last year of Cuvier's life. Cuvier had a unique way of allowing for Adam and Eve, yet designating different ancestry for the races. According to Wikipedia:

Cuvier believed there were three distinct races: the Caucasian ("white"), the Mongolian ("yellow") and the Ethiopian ("black"), Cuvier claimed Adam and Eve were Caucasian, forming the original race of mankind, while the other two races originated by survivors escaping in different directions after a major catastrophe hit the Earth 5,000 years ago, with those survivors then living in complete isolation from each other.

Cuvier insisted that the Caucasian skull was most beautiful. He divided humanity into three races: white, yellow and black. Each race received marks for the beauty or ugliness of their skull and quality of their civilizations. According to Cuvier the White race was at the top and the black race was at the bottom.[35]
Cuvier wrote regarding Caucasians:

"The white race, with oval face, straight hair and nose, to which the civilised people of Europe belong and which appear to us the most beautiful of all, is also superior to others by its genius, courage and activity."

Regarding those he termed "Ethiopian," Cuvier wrote:

"The Negro race... is marked by black complexion, crisped of woolly hair, compressed cranium and a flat nose, The projection of the lower parts of the face, and the thick lips, evidently approximate it to the monkey tribe: the hordes of which it consists have always remained in the most complete state of barbarism."
February 12th, 2018 at 2:48:00 PM permalink
Evenbob
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The hardcore racists


What is racist now. Is La Raza racist.
Is it racist to say ‘Mejorar la Raza’ or
is that just fine. If I were to say 'Improve
the Race' in referring to Whites, am I
a racist?
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