America hacks too?

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January 8th, 2017 at 12:23:03 PM permalink
SOOPOO
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Much has been made of Russia hacking a certain political party in the USA. Maybe naively, but I though major international powers were always trying to hack each other. Are we not trying to 'hack' into Chinese, Russian, Iranian computers all the time?
January 8th, 2017 at 12:43:02 PM permalink
Evenbob
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Quote: SOOPOO
Are we not trying to 'hack' into Chinese, Russian, Iranian computers all the time?


And have we not been influencing
elections for decades? Not trying to,
but actually doing it. We are the
master hackers and influencers, I'm
embarrassed for Russia that they
failed so miserably in trying to
influence our election.
If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose.
January 8th, 2017 at 1:21:39 PM permalink
terapined
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Quote: SOOPOO
Much has been made of Russia hacking a certain political party in the USA. Maybe naively, but I though major international powers were always trying to hack each other. Are we not trying to 'hack' into Chinese, Russian, Iranian computers all the time?


Both sides have been doing it since the cold war
That's one of the reasons Iran hates us
The CIA put the Shah in power

No doubt Putin helped Trump.
Did it put him over the top, probably not
Regardless, Putin tried to influence the election in ways we have not seen from the Russians in the past
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January 8th, 2017 at 1:32:35 PM permalink
AZDuffman
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Quote: terapined

Regardless, Putin tried to influence the election in ways we have not seen from the Russians in the past


What ways were there that he did so?

Can you give an example?
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January 8th, 2017 at 1:43:01 PM permalink
terapined
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Quote: AZDuffman
What ways were there that he did so?

Can you give an example?


I don't need an example
I defer to the experts at the CIA and the FBI
The Orange guy that pretends to be John Miller should listen to the FBI and CIA also, just saying.

Just so weird some republicans cant deal with reality.
Its a fantasy to think Trump is perfect and the election was not influenced.
Its not a black and white world, its shades of gray
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January 8th, 2017 at 1:54:10 PM permalink
AZDuffman
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Quote: terapined
I don't need an example


So, in other words, you cannot back up your point?

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I defer to the experts at the CIA and the FBI.


Do THEY have an example?

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Just so weird some republicans cant deal with reality.


Reality is it is an empty charge since not one example can be given!
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January 8th, 2017 at 2:11:49 PM permalink
terapined
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Quote: AZDuffman
So, in other words, you cannot back up your point?



Do THEY have an example?



Reality is it is an empty charge since not one example can be given!



This is what it all boils down to
I believe the FBI and the CIA
You don't believe the FBI and the CIA
Fair enough?

Now comes the absurd part
Why are you looking for proof personally from me when the FBI and CIA cant convince you?

In a joint appearance on NBC's "Meet the Press" on Sunday, Republican Senators Lindsey Graham and John McCain said evidence was conclusive that Putin sought to influence the election
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January 8th, 2017 at 2:21:00 PM permalink
AZDuffman
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Quote: terapined

Now comes the absurd part
Why are you looking for proof personally from me when the FBI and CIA cant convince you?


Because you keep bringing it up here.

How about you just try to make an intelligent guess as to what Putin might have done?


And no, I do not just buy what the FBI and CIA are saying. I do not just lap up what my government feeds me. This is the same FBI that sat quiet while people had their business stolen from them by Whitey Bulger and the same CIA that sold dope to our soldiers in Vietnam to run secret wars after all.
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January 8th, 2017 at 2:21:43 PM permalink
Evenbob
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Quote: terapined

In a joint appearance on NBC's "Meet the Press" on Sunday, Republican Senators Lindsey Graham and John McCain said evidence was conclusive that Putin sought to influence the election


I totally agree. All we want to
see is what they actually did that
influenced the election, not what
they sought to do. They sought
and failed, obviously. So if they
sought and failed, why is this a
big deal. Do you think in your
wildest dreams this is the first
time Russia tried to influence one
of our elections?

You Libs just want any feeble excuse
for Hillary losing so you won't have
to face the fact she was a horrible
candidate and you backed her.
If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose.
January 8th, 2017 at 2:24:53 PM permalink
kenarman
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Russia only had one reason to hack during the election and to make sure everyone knew they were doing it. To destabilize and embarrass the US. They have done a masterful job of that as half the population won't stop talking about it and wants to get rid of their currently legally elected president. Like him or hate him all you lefties are just playing into the hands of every country in the world that wants a piece of the USA's lunch. If you want the US to survive it is time to close ranks a little bit or the "USA spring" will be ugly.
"but if you make yourselves sheep, the wolves will eat you." Benjamin Franklin
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