Can Hillary Still Win?

March 21st, 2017 at 10:23:44 AM permalink
AZDuffman
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Exactly. What can be done to stop Indiana from selling said guns to criminals?


We have good background checks. That is all that is really needed. The problem lies in Chicago not Indiana.
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March 23rd, 2017 at 9:34:35 AM permalink
SOOPOO
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20 cities listed. I am guessing. 17 have Democratic mayors? 18? 16? I am sure it is just a coincidence....
March 23rd, 2017 at 2:39:38 PM permalink
pew
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No coincidence at all. It's two diametrically opposing views of reality and human nature . One leads to utter destruction, the other to life.
March 23rd, 2017 at 3:06:36 PM permalink
JimRockford
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20 cities listed. I am guessing. 17 have Democratic mayors? 18? 16? I am sure it is just a coincidence....

Correlation without causation. Big cities tend to have high crime rates. Big cities tend to be Democrat. Therefore Democrats cause crime? I could make a similar argument that parking meters cause crime.
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March 23rd, 2017 at 3:33:42 PM permalink
rxwine
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Quote: SOOPOO
20 cities listed. I am guessing. 17 have Democratic mayors? 18? 16? I am sure it is just a coincidence....


Look at it by state, gun deaths per capita are almost all red state majorities.

http://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/death-by-gun-top-20-states-with-highest-rates/21/
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March 23rd, 2017 at 4:38:16 PM permalink
AZDuffman
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Look at it by state, gun deaths per capita are almost all red state majorities.

http://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/death-by-gun-top-20-states-with-highest-rates/21/


You have to split out suicides. Suicides are not gun violence in the same way crime is.

And if you have a red state but with a blue area it skews things. Louisiana is red but blue New Orleans is most population.
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March 23rd, 2017 at 5:40:57 PM permalink
rxwine
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You have to split out suicides. Suicides are not gun violence in the same way crime is.


Suicides (regardless of method) are also mostly highest in gun heavy states. So that's relevant information. People are killing themselves more often in gun states. Unless we want people killing themselves that's not a good stat
1. Wyoming
2. Alaska
4. Montana
5. New Mexico
6. Utah
7. Colorado
8. Nevada
9. Oregon
10. Kansas
11. Arizona
12. West Virgina
13. North Dakota
14. Missouri
15. Alabama.
16. Tennessee
17. Maine
18. Washington

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm6345a10.htm

Suicides in the states (by any method) are also lower in 5 states with the strictest gun laws. Hawaii, Massachusetts, New York, Connecticut and Rhode Island.
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March 23rd, 2017 at 6:14:34 PM permalink
Evenbob
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Quote: rxwine
Suicides (regardless of method) are also mostly highest in gun heavy states. So that's relevant information. People are killing themselves more often in gun states. Unless we want people killing themselves that's not a good stat
.


You do realize that having a gun in the
house doesn't make the suicide rate
go up or down. I worked a suicide
hotline in the 70's, it has nothing to
do with the choice of method. It's
all about depression, not gun control.
If you're determined to kill yourself,
you'll find a way.
If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose.
March 23rd, 2017 at 7:00:55 PM permalink
rxwine
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I worked a suicide
hotline in the 70's,


How much did they pay you to quit?
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March 23rd, 2017 at 7:43:02 PM permalink
Nareed
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Suicides (regardless of method) are also mostly highest in gun heavy states.


Naturally.

Guns are designed to kill by destroying tissue. Point it at a vital area, and it's a high-probability you'll kill the target. It's one of the most reliable means for suicide.

Therefore it makes sense the more access to guns overall, the more successful suicides overall.
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