War in the Americas

September 15th, 2016 at 2:45:40 PM permalink
Pacomartin
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By Americas we mean northern Americas and Latin America and Caribbean

As the population approaches 1 billion, the longest and last war in the Americas comes to an end


Does this mean an end to internal warfare in the Americas?

The 100 bolivar banknote (the largest in Venezuela) is officially worth US$16, but has been trading on the black market for as little as a dime.


The largest banknote in Ecuador was officially trading at US$2 when they gave up and adopted the US dollar as their currency.


Can this situation fail to end in some kind of civil war at least?
September 16th, 2016 at 3:04:32 AM permalink
odiousgambit
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I didn't know about this, had to find the news. The NYT is mighty sanguine that it is all over. How can they be sure?

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/25/world/americas/colombia-farc-peace-deal.html?_r=0
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September 16th, 2016 at 3:49:17 AM permalink
Pacomartin
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Well USA has been involved in 5 wars in the Americas since WWII
  1. Bay of Pigs Invasion (1961) Part of the Cold War Location: Cuba
  2. Dominican Civil War (1965–1966) Location: Dominican Republic
  3. Invasion of Grenada (1983) Part of the Cold War Location: Grenada
  4. Invasion of Panama (1989–1990) Location: Panama
  5. Intervention in Haiti (1994–1995) Location: Haiti

It is difficult to believe that war could be over in the Americas.

USA involved in wars after 19th century
  1. Crazy Snake Rebellion (1909) Location: Oklahoma
  2. Border War (1910–1919) Part of the Mexican Revolution Location: Mexico–United States border
  3. Negro Rebellion (1912) Part of the Banana Wars Location: Cuba
  4. Occupation of Nicaragua. (1912–1933) Part of the Banana Wars Location: Nicaragua
  5. Bluff War (1914–1915) Location: Utah and Colorado
  6. Occupation of Haiti. (1915–1934) Part of the Banana Wars Location: Haiti
  7. Sugar Intervention (1916–1918) Part of the Banana Wars Location: Cuba
  8. Occupation of the Dominican Republic (1916–1924) Part of the Banana Wars Location: Dominican Republic
  9. World War I (1917–1918) Location: Europe, Africa, Asia, Middle East, the Pacific Islands, and coast of North and South America
  10. Russian Civil War (1918–1920) Location: Russia, Mongolia, and Iran US troops march through Russia before the Battle of Romanovka.
  11. Posey War (1923) Location: Utah
  12. World War II (1941–1945) Location: Europe, Pacific Ocean, Atlantic Ocean, Southeast Asia, Middle East, Mediterranean, North Africa
  13. Korean War (1950–1953) Part of the Cold War Location: Korea
  14. Lebanon Crisis (1958) Location: Lebanon
  15. Bay of Pigs Invasion (1961) Part of the Cold War Location: Cuba
  16. Simba Rebellion (1964) Part of the Cold War Location: Democratic Republic of the Congo
  17. Dominican Civil War (1965–1966) Location: Dominican Republic
  18. Vietnam War (1965–1973, 1975) Part of the Cold War and Indochina Wars Location: Vietnam, Cambodia, and Laos
  19. Communist insurgency in Thailand(1965–1983)Location: Thailand
  20. Shaba II (1978) Location: Zaire (present-day Democratic Republic of the Congo)
  21. Multinational Force in Lebanon (1982-1984) Part of the Lebanese Civil War Location: Lebanon
  22. Invasion of Grenada (1983) Part of the Cold War Location: Grenada
  23. Tanker War (1987–1988) Location: Persian Gulf
  24. Invasion of Panama (1989–1990) Location: Panama
  25. Gulf War (1990–1991) Location: Iraq, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, and Israel
  26. Somali Civil War (1992–1995) Location: Somalia
  27. Intervention in Haiti (1994–1995) Location: Haiti
  28. Bosnian War (1994–1995) Part of the Yugoslav Wars Location: Bosnia and Herzegovina
  29. Kosovo War (1998–1999) Part of the Yugoslav Wars Location: Serbia
  30. War in Afghanistan (2001–2014) Part of the War on Terror Location: Afghanistan
  31. Iraq War (2003–2011) Part of the Iraqi Insurgency and War on Terror Location: Iraq
  32. War in North-West Pakistan (2004–present) Part of the War on Terror Location: Pakistan
  33. Military intervention in Libya (2011) Part of the Libyan Crisis Location: Libya
  34. War on ISIL (Operation Inherent Resolve) (2014–present) Part of the Iraqi Civil War, Syrian Civil War, Second Libyan Civil War,
  35. War in Afghanistan (2015–present)
September 16th, 2016 at 8:36:42 AM permalink
Fleastiff
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Has anyone asked for a comment by the female presidential candidate who was kept tied to a tree for several years? Or did she kick off?
September 16th, 2016 at 11:54:00 AM permalink
Pacomartin
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Quote: Fleastiff
Has anyone asked for a comment by the female presidential candidate who was kept tied to a tree for several years? Or did she kick off?

I can't really follow these comments without some kind of a reference. Is this a current candidate? What country? What is the context?
September 16th, 2016 at 4:29:54 PM permalink
Fleastiff
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Ingrid Betancourt Pulecio (Spanish pronunciation: [ˈiŋɡɾið βetaŋˈkuɾ];[1] born 25 December 1961)[2] is a Colombian-French politician, former senator and anti-corruption activist.

Betancourt was kidnapped by the Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia (FARC) on 23 February 2002 and was rescued by Colombian security forces six and a half years later on 2 July 2008. The rescue operation, dubbed Operation Jaque, rescued Betancourt along with 14 other hostages (three United States citizens, and 11 Colombian policemen and soldiers).[3][4] In all, she was held captive for six years after being taken while campaigning for the Colombian presidency as a Green. She had decided to campaign in the former "zone of distention", after the military operation "Tanatos" was launched, and after the zone was declared free of guerrillas by the government.[5] Her kidnapping received worldwide coverage, particularly in France, where she also held citizenship due to her prior marriage to a French
September 16th, 2016 at 4:59:31 PM permalink
AZDuffman
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Quote: Pacomartin
Well USA has been involved in 5 wars in the Americas since WWII
  1. Bay of Pigs Invasion (1961) Part of the Cold War Location: Cuba
  2. Dominican Civil War (1965–1966) Location: Dominican Republic
  3. Invasion of Grenada (1983) Part of the Cold War Location: Grenada
  4. Invasion of Panama (1989–1990) Location: Panama
  5. Intervention in Haiti (1994–1995) Location: Haiti

It is difficult to believe that war could be over in the Americas.


Might be Mexican War II this century. Mexicans keep entering and filling up lands in the Mexican Cession/Texas/Gadsden Purchase and who knows if it will want to flip back to Mexico. Maybe not the whole area, but for example culturally California has lots of pockets that seem to favor Mexico more than the USA. Say the dollar collapse happens, would they stick with the gringos or want to leave?
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September 16th, 2016 at 6:22:20 PM permalink
Ayecarumba
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Quote: Pacomartin
Well USA has been involved in 5 wars in the Americas since WWII
  1. Bay of Pigs Invasion (1961) Part of the Cold War Location: Cuba
  2. Dominican Civil War (1965–1966) Location: Dominican Republic
  3. Invasion of Grenada (1983) Part of the Cold War Location: Grenada
  4. Invasion of Panama (1989–1990) Location: Panama
  5. Intervention in Haiti (1994–1995) Location: Haiti

It is difficult to believe that war could be over in the Americas.



Don't cry for Argentina. We have also been involved in coups and conflicts in Chile, Bolivia, Nicaragua, El Salvador, Brazil, and probably Peru in the decades since WWII as well. Maybe not with outright troops on the ground, but via CIA backed militias and dictators. I don't think it is over. Venezuela is ripe for the picking.
September 16th, 2016 at 9:02:22 PM permalink
Pacomartin
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When the Spaniards came into Mexico the Aztecs said that they came to the site of present day Mexico from Aztlan, but they no longer remembered where Aztlan was located. Like the Quest for Atlantis, professors have been looking for Aztlan for five centuries. The official position of the Mexican government is that it is near Puerto Vallarta, but the legend has gotten mixed up with the lands that were lost to USA in the Mexican American war. Some scientists claim it Aztlan is in Utah.


Over half of Mexicans have been polled and said they believe that the US laws should be changed to allow Mexicans more frequent access to conquered lands.

Quote: January 1995, President Bill Clinton authorizes a $20 billion loan to Mexico.
As the value of the peso hit an all-time low, Clinton sidestepped Congress’ rejection of an earlier $50 billion loan proposal and exercised his executive power. Claiming that he was acting in the national interest and that national security was at stake, he authorized the Treasury Department to issue a loan through the Exchange Stabilization Fund. This was the first time the fund had been used to help stabilize a foreign currency. Clinton justified his decision by arguing that if the peso continued to fall, Mexico’s economy would crash and in turn negatively impact the United States. He warned that an insolvent Mexico might result in an influx of illegal immigration into the U.S., threatening American jobs and border security. Furthermore, he predicted that U.S. exports to Mexico would dwindle, disrupting the U.S. economy.


Quote: AZDuffman
Might be Mexican War II this century. Mexicans keep entering and filling up lands in the Mexican Cession/Texas/Gadsden Purchase and who knows if it will want to flip back to Mexico.


It is difficult to imagine a scenario where the dollar collapses and doesn't take the Canadian dollar and the Mexican peso down with them at the same time.
September 17th, 2016 at 2:40:23 AM permalink
AZDuffman
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Quote: Pacomartin


Over half of Mexicans have been polled and said they believe that the US laws should be changed to allow Mexicans more frequent access to conquered lands.


Never heard that but not a surprise. It is actually part of what I try to explain to people the dark side of immigration. Populations have long memories about lost wars and lands, so do their governments. Many Mexicans probably have a part of them that would love to get those lands back someday. History does not change, things do not change. It is why in small battles in primitive societies the winner might kill all they younger men.

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It is difficult to imagine a scenario where the dollar collapses and doesn't take the Canadian dollar and the Mexican peso down with them at the same time.


True, and the Peso does this on its own every generation without a dollar collapse so far. But Mexico has slowly been building trade with other nations. They keep it up and they may in a generation stand on their own. Think Germany 1890-1910.
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