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August 22nd, 2016 at 2:23:16 PM permalink
DRich
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What I'd like to know is that you did with those miles.

Also, what were the drives to the airports like? If I had to get to MEX every week, I'd probably wind up with some kind of violent psychotic break.


I don't remember specifically where I went with those miles but I always use them before they expire. Even today I usually have enough to take a couple domestic trips with my wife.

It usually takes me less than 10 minutes to get to the Vegas airport from my house. In Philly I was driving to Atlantic City which took about an hour and at the times I went there wasn't much traffic.
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August 22nd, 2016 at 2:39:28 PM permalink
Nareed
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I don't remember specifically where I went with those miles but I always use them before they expire. Even today I usually have enough to take a couple domestic trips with my wife.


I'd hoped for something spectacular, like the last flight of Concorde, perhaps, or maybe 1st class on one of the really swanky airlines like Singapore ;)
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August 24th, 2016 at 8:12:19 AM permalink
Nareed
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Spending grotesque amounts of money on travel is the ultimate indulgence. It is even more sybaritic than eating ice cream with edible 24 carat gold sprinkles (for $1000).


It probably ruins a perfectly good ice cream. Not to mention it wastes a non-renewable resource.

Ingesting heavy metals is not a good idea, even if they are largely inert; does it dissolve in gastric acids? Besides, what contaminates gold? I know silver ore carries a lot of lead along. I don't know what usually accompanies gold ores.
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August 24th, 2016 at 9:45:04 PM permalink
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I don't know what usually accompanies gold ores.
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September 17th, 2016 at 8:36:26 PM permalink
Pacomartin
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I knew this. Which means the A318 business class is more expensive and lacks direct aisle access from every seat ;) Really BA has done achieved an awesome marketing triumph with these two planes. They should look into other routes high in demand through London city. Though I really can't think of another not involving a stop for refueling.


It does appear that you were right. London City Airport operations were a primary goal in the design of the Bombardier aircraft. They can fly nonstop back to JFK without the refueling stop in Ireland with 10 more seats than the A318.

The airport will need a new taxiway, even if the runway is not lengthened.

Quote: July 25, 2016 issue of Aviation Week & Space Technology.
The baseline range of 3,050 nm for the CS100 and 3,300 nm for the CS300 remain unchanged.

According to the manufacturer, the CS100 now has a range of 2,350 nm out of the London airport. But Dewar says the aircraft can make it to New York-JFK with up to 42 passengers in an all-business-class configuration without a refueling stop, 10 more than the maximum number on the British Airways Airbus A318 service, which requires a westbound fuel stop. According to Dewar, the CS100 could fly from LCY to Dubai International with about 80 passengers and to Moscow with 108.

LCY also has high hopes that the aircraft will allow airlines to operate more long-haul flights in spite of its short 1,500-m (5,000-ft.) runway. Chief Executive Declan Collier says the airport considers destinations in the Middle East, the Gulf region and Turkey as possibilities, with North American markets such as Toronto, Montreal and Boston also becoming viable options. The plans, however, hinge on the airport’s ability to get approval for desperately needed expansion. The most important is a desire to build a new taxiway parallel to the runway, which would eliminate the need to backtrack and thus increase aircraft throughput and capacity. Seven additional apron positions are also planned but not yet approved. Collier says LCY can currently handle the planned Swiss International Air Lines C Series services from both Zurich and Geneva and the BA A318 operation.

Bombardier also has more homework to do. According to Dewar, the company has validated steep approach capabilities for up to 8.5 deg. in Canada; 5.5 deg. is necessary for the difficult landing procedure into LCY. However, the tests must be validated in trials at the airport itself; the tests are scheduled for the fall. Once all the required regulatory approvals are obtained, Swiss wants to start operating the aircraft into LCY from the spring of 2017.


2350 nm out of the London city Airport


El Al advertisement in the late 1950's to advertise that flights from New York to London no longer needed to stop at Gander or Goose Bay Newfoundland to refuel. Maybe it's time to put a US preclearance station at Gander and revive it for small planes flying to Europe.


Route of first non-stop flight across the Atlantic in 1919 (8 years before Lindbergh) by Alcock and Brown with a converted WW1 bomber
September 19th, 2016 at 6:59:14 AM permalink
Nareed
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It does appear that you were right. London City Airport operations were a primary goal in the design of the Bombardier aircraft. They can fly nonstop back to JFK without the refueling stop in Ireland with 10 more seats than the A318.


My idea was what BA could do with a spare A318 configured for business class.

In the meantime, Singapore Air's leases on its first five A380s are about to expire, and it seems they won't be keeping any of them. They've already said they won't keep the first, whose lease expires in October.

So we're about to see cheap, second-hand A380s hit the market? Sort of. Other airlines, it seems, may already be quietly trying to sell their existing A380s. I heard about Malaysia Airlines and perhaps one or two others. Some in the aviation blogs are fantasizing about Delta and United snapping them up (as if!)

We may see the sorry spectacle of a 10-year old, long-haul plane broken up for parts at a scrap yard.

Hopefully not, but there just isn't that much demand for it. The coming thing, again, are smaller wide bodies like the A350 and B787. The A380 will likely remain a niche plane for most airlines, and the backbone of Emirates. But big as it may be, you can't make a successful line of jets based on just one airline (or two, ask the Concorde)

On the flip side, there's buzz building up about using the B737 MAX 9 and A321 neo/neo LR for short Transatlantic flights. Not specialty luxury flights like the Banker's Shuttle, but fully loaded planes in two-class configurations. One airline mentioned prominently here is Jet Blue. WOW already flies some A320s ceo to the North American east coast. Norwegian also gets mentioned a lot.

I think the Very Large Plane (VLP) is dying, while the large, twin engine wide body is getting the sniffles. The medium-sized and small wide bodies and the large narrow bodies are running marathons (literally; well, literally they're flying marathons).
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September 19th, 2016 at 7:28:35 AM permalink
Pacomartin
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In the meantime, Singapore Air's leases on its first five A380s are about to expire, and it seems they won't be keeping any of them. They've already said they won't keep the first, whose lease expires in October. So we're about to see cheap, second-hand A380s hit the market? Sort of. Other airlines, it seems, may already be quietly trying to sell their existing A380s. I heard about Malaysia Airlines and perhaps one or two others. Some in the aviation blogs are fantasizing about Delta and United snapping them up (as if!)


The big thing is the Singapore Air is required to purchase 5 more A380s. It was part of a 2013 deal where Airbus took back the 5 A340's that they sold to SA in 2004 for nonstop routes to the USA (LAX and EWR). They were such fuel pigs that they had a capacity of 56,870-58,870 US gallons, which meant on take off the fuel weighed over 10x the weight of the passengers and luggage (after conversion to 100 business class seats only).

It may have been a bad deal since fuel prices are so low now, that flight may have been profitable. I don't think they want five new new A380s.

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We may see the sorry spectacle of a 10-year old, long-haul plane broken up for parts at a scrap yard.


Not a chance. Singapore Air has a lease that says they have to restore the planes to "like new" to turn them in at 10 years. As that refurbishment can be very expensive, that was a big part of the decision process. If anything British Air will purchase or lease them. BA is happy with it's 10 A380s, but they just don't want to pay full price for new ones. Turkish Airlines would probably buy them if BA does not.
September 19th, 2016 at 7:56:07 AM permalink
Nareed
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The big thing is the Singapore Air is required to purchase 5 more A380s.


I heard of that. The explanation is that the initial production run has teething problems and is heavier than latter runs. So Singapore may be ok with newer A380s, but not with older ones.

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Not a chance. Singapore Air has a lease that says they have to restore the planes to "like new" to turn them in at 10 years.


That I didn't know. I suppose they'll have to, then.

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If anything British Air will purchase or lease them. BA is happy with it's 10 A380s, but they just don't want to pay full price for new ones. Turkish Airlines would probably buy them if BA does not.


I've heard BA wants used ones. Turkish may have bigger problems soon, as the current government has to collapse one way or another. Unless Edrogan smartens up and leaves peacefully. And what are the chances of that happening? Anyway, a country in turmoil makes for a lousy hub, never mind destination.
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September 19th, 2016 at 8:06:58 AM permalink
Pacomartin
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That I didn't know. I suppose they'll have to, then.


This October is really 9 years after delivery. They must formally notify the leasing company at year 9 what they intend to do at year 10.

Like any apartment, SA has the option of returning the plane "as is", but then they must pay a whopping financial penalty.

Singapore Airlines received the first 5 deliveries
15. Oct. 2007
11. Jan. 2008
11. Mar. 2008
26. Apr. 2008
28. Jun. 2008

Emirates received their first in July 2008 and Qantas in Sep 2008. But Emirates signed a 12 year lease, instead of 10.

Emirates Airlines received the first 4 deliveries so leases expire in 12 years.
28. Jul. 2008
24. Oct. 2008
15. Nov. 2008
30. Dec. 2008

Atatürk Airport now carries more passengers than Frankfurt Airport or Airport Schiphol and is only behind London and Paris in Europe. To close it down would be devastating.
September 19th, 2016 at 8:32:18 AM permalink
Nareed
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This October is really 9 years after delivery. They must formally notify the leasing company at year 9 what they intend to do at year 10.


You know, you see such thing sin aviation blogs, and you assume they do have their facts straight <grumble, grumble>....


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Emirates received their first in July 2008 and Qantas in Sep 2008. But Emirates signed a 12 year lease, instead of 10.


Emirates has a great deal more invested in their A380s. Their main hub is configured and optimized for large numbers of such planes to operate all at once. I just can't see them giving up on the type any time soon.


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Atatürk Airport now carries more passengers than Frankfurt Airport or Airport Schiphol and is only behind London and Paris in Europe. To close it down would be devastating.


Tell that to the Prophet King President for Life...
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