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July 15th, 2016 at 9:00:28 PM permalink
Pacomartin
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In fact, the American National Elections Studies shows Republicans carrying the group "whites with college degrees" in 16 elections in a row, i.e. every election from 1956 to 2012. Lyndon Johnson couldn’t carry whites with a college degree in 1964 when he was defeating Barry Goldwater by 23 percentage points overall.

Trump May Become The First Republican In 60 Years To Lose White College Graduates.


Who is not going to be at the RNC convention in Cleveland.
Mitt Romney
Gov. John Kasich
Sen. Jon McCain
Sen. Kelly Ayotte(age 48) : Senator (R-NH)
Sen. Marco Rubio
Jeb Bush
George W. Bush ,
George H.W. Bush
Neither George H.W. Bush or George W. Bush attended the 2012 convention.
July 15th, 2016 at 9:40:27 PM permalink
Evenbob
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Quote: Pacomartin


Trump May Become The First Republican In 60 Years To Lose White College Graduates.


NY Times article from July 14:

"According to a recent Pew study, white non-Hispanic male college graduates support Trump over Hillary Clinton by 49 to 42 percent, even as she holds on to her overall lead. Pew is not alone in its findings about college men. An ABC News/Washington Post survey in June gave Trump a 49-44 lead among white men who have completed four years of college."

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/14/opinion/campaign-stops/college-men-for-trump.html?_r=0

He has to change the women, how hard is that.
If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose.
July 15th, 2016 at 10:49:01 PM permalink
Pacomartin
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He has to change the women, how hard is that.


The gender gap this year is historic.
We often overlook the pro-Trump leanings of white men with college degrees, in part because white women with four-year degrees back Clinton 57-35 percent, and most reports combine the total. When both sexes are counted, Clinton leads by six points.
July 16th, 2016 at 4:20:04 AM permalink
AZDuffman
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Quote: Pacomartin

Trump May Become The First Republican In 60 Years To Lose White College Graduates.


Like already said, it is about fewer male whites getting college degrees. Colleges have been female majority for a decade or more now. Men are smartening up and seeing that there can be more value in a trade or some other route to make their way in life. They see how guys are treated by colleges. Lately MEN not "guys" are seeing the behavior on colleges, the demand for "safe spaces" and all the nonsense and just do not want to be around it.

Then face the fact that colleges are liberal places. Those that go thru get their indoctrination and hang out with other liberal people. While this has always been the case, it seems to have gained momentum since the 1990s.

We may be at an election that not so much causes a shift but sets it. Democrats have become the bread so to speak, attracting the bottom and top of society. GOP is getting the meat of the sandwich, the working class who does not want all the government "help" and who like in the movie "Office Space" has their biggest desire not to be hassled.
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July 16th, 2016 at 5:57:18 AM permalink
SOOPOO
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Men are smartening up and seeing that there can be more value in a trade or some other route to make their way in life.


I disagree. All the men I know are happy when their children go to college. Not that that means not going to college prevents one from 'making their way in life', but it makes it harder.
July 16th, 2016 at 6:21:28 AM permalink
AZDuffman
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I disagree. All the men I know are happy when their children go to college. Not that that means not going to college prevents one from 'making their way in life', but it makes it harder.


You are talking about parents, I am talking about students. Colleges as a whole are well over 50% female now and climbing. Men are clearly not seeing the value anymore.

As to "making life harder" that always depends. Take a smart degree and you will do better. Take a useless one and you are actually in worse shape. I've sat near a few who have student loan debt that is halfway to a decent house in these parts. Of course no skills is worse. But the "just get any degree" thing is dead.
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July 16th, 2016 at 8:40:18 AM permalink
DRich
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The access to so much information on the internet is greatly reducing the value of a formal university education.
At my age a Life In Prison sentence is not much of a deterrent.
July 16th, 2016 at 1:22:32 PM permalink
SOOPOO
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The access to so much information on the internet is greatly reducing the value of a formal university education.


Perhaps reducing, but not eliminating. There are still a gazillion jobs that you have no chance for without a college education, even if that education has nothing to do with the job....
July 16th, 2016 at 4:42:24 PM permalink
Pacomartin
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The access to so much information on the internet is greatly reducing the value of a formal university education.


A famous infograph was made in 1862 to describe Napolean's 1812 invasion of Russia.




I think it is a good example of the difference between data and analysis plus presentation.
July 16th, 2016 at 5:15:42 PM permalink
AZDuffman
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Perhaps reducing, but not eliminating. There are still a gazillion jobs that you have no chance for without a college education, even if that education has nothing to do with the job....


True but this is slowly changing.
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