Super cheap way to get to Europe

Nice chart showing the new Trans-atlantic routes being flown with B737 MAX

SWF-BGO (Norway) is 2993 nm, but the new long range A321 will be able to fly an extra 500 nm.

United Airlines European destinations from Newark Airport, distance in nautical miles
SNN 2,690 nm
DUB 2,775 nm
EDI 2,840 nm
MAN 2,915 nm
LIS 2,942 nm
LHR 3,012 nm
MAD 3,134 nm
CDG 3,171 nm
AMS 3,178 nm
BRU 3,199 nm
HAM 3,324 nm
BCN 3,344 nm
FRA 3,363 nm
GVA 3,371 nm
ARN 3,415 nm
ZRH 3,429 nm
TXL 3,459 nm
MXP 3,485 nm
MUC 3,521 nm Munich
VCE 3,623 nm Venice
FCO 3,731 nm Rome
ATH 4,307 nm Athens

Nareed!
Can you imagine 11 Hours in a Narrow Body Jet? The plane only had dummies for passengers.



Test flight on single aisle A321LR, great circle distance 4109nm.




The A321neo is selling like crazy. Wait until the Indian airlines realize they can reach Britain in a single aisle jet.
492 Asia
460 Europe
310 North America
375 Leasing
108 Middle East
94 Latin America
2 Africa
83 undisclosed
1924

184 WIZZ AIR HUNGARY
92 TURKISH AIRLINES
43 PEGASUS AIRLINES
40 LUFTHANSA
30 EASYJET
30 NORWEGIAN
22 TAP AIR PORTUGAL
10 BRITISH AIRWAYS
5 SWISS INTERNATIONAL AIR LINES
4 IBERIA
460

100 DELTA AIR LINES
100 AMERICAN AIRLINES
60 JETBLUE AIRWAYS
34 FRONTIER AIRLINES
16 HAWAIIAN AIRLINES
310

Quote: Pacomartin

Can you imagine 11 Hours in a Narrow Body Jet? The plane only had dummies for passengers.

So when such flights are launched for real, they will have the exact same passengers? Nice :)

The geometrical handicap of the 737 MAXs has been recited to within centimetres of its life in many places. The 737s sit too close to the ground for the wider diameter new tech engines to be used to full potential, and that inhibits the performance of the 737 MAX 9.

Quote: Nareed

So when such flights are launched for real, they will have the exact same passengers? Nice :)

We'll see. Airlines might avoid the Long Range version of the A321 precisely because passengers will complain that they are not dummies.

On the other hand some people are predicting the A321 LR will become the "Major Market Disruptor" or MMD jet. It has been ordered or optioned for North Atlantic routes by Norwegian and JetBlue.

The LR form of the A321 NEO has the potential to significantly disrupt airline networks in this part of the world no matter what fleet decisions Qantas or Virgin Australia might make because of the way it can be used by other carriers in the Asia-Pacific to bypass the major limitations of restrictive bilateral agreements in some instances, or leverage the low cost airline model into routes that avoid congested hubs like Sydney, Hong Kong or the major Tokyo airports.

The MMD role of the A321 NEOs wasn’t apparent when Airbus officially launched the new engine option single aisle line in 2010. The large end of the line-up, the A321 only accounted for about ten percent of orders. Since then many NEO customers have upsized their orders prior to start of metal cutting, and new orders comprise at least 40 percent A321s with many expectations of 50 percent of NEO production being its share in 2020.

The loss of 80 percent of the larger end of the single aisle market to Airbus is an incentive for Boeing to do something. But that would mean Boeing is selling the complexity of two substantially different versions of its single aisle family to cover the capabilities offered by one Airbus jet, which in turn would likely have negative impact on residual values and running costs, especially for airlines with relatively small fleets of jets at the outset.

In its Global Market Forecast to 2035 Airbus estimates a total requirement of 33,000 new jet within 20 years, with 23,000 of them single aisle designs. On present indications, a great many of them will be A321s, serving brand new airports in some cases, and towns that are yet to become small cities in others. Jets of this size and range won’t just change the places we know, but those we’ve never heard of in Africa, South and Central America, and central Asia.

A321 current engine option had 1798 orders total. The "new engine option" or A321neo already has 1924 orders, and the true impact of the Long Range version has yet to be really felt.

It would be remarkable if the A321 ends up surpassing the A320 in orders.
A320ceo 4768 orders
A320neo 4071 orders

B737max 4316 orders for all variants in the family, significantly far behind the Airbus single aisle family.

Quote: Pacomartin

The loss of 80 percent of the larger end of the single aisle market to Airbus is an incentive for Boeing to do something.

Yeah, pack it in.

Quote: Nareed

So when such flights are launched for real, they will have the exact same passengers? Nice :)

Paying dummies are better than non-paying dummies.

Quote: Fleastiff

Yeah, pack it in.

It is pretty remarkable flying 4729 miles on a single aisle jet. If I look at flights by US flagged airlines on international flights, 85% of them are 4500 miles or less

US flagged airline carriers (international flights)
85.2% <= 4500 miles
8.8% 4500< distance <=5500 miles
6.0% > 5500 miles

So far only 310 of these jets have been ordered in North America
100 DELTA AIR LINES
100 AMERICAN AIRLINES
60 JETBLUE AIRWAYS
34 FRONTIER AIRLINES
16 HAWAIIAN AIRLINES
0 UNITED AIRLINES
0 SPIRIT AIRLINES
0 VIRGIN AMERICA
0 AIR CANADA

JetBlue seems the most interested in the Ultra Long Range variant, and is expected to be the first non-legacy airline in the USA to begin flights across the Atlantic.

Quote: Pacomartin

We'll see. Airlines might avoid the Long Range version of the A321 precisely because passengers will complain that they are not dummies.

We'll indeed see. Passengers love lower fares, and a narrow body has lower intrinsic costs than a wide body.

Let oil prices go high enough, and people will take 14+ hours long haul flights in over-packed narrow bodies making three stops to refuel along the way.

Quote: Nareed

We'll indeed see. Passengers love lower fares, and a narrow body has lower intrinsic costs than a wide body.

Let oil prices go high enough, and people will take 14+ hours long haul flights in over-packed narrow bodies making three stops to refuel along the way.

I think these round the world routes would be possible with the A321LR. The longer 8 segment route is 23,512 miles (3,780 miles max) and the shorter 4 segment route is 15,334 miles (4,488 miles max).

Once Norwegian gets their 30 A321LR, then they have lots of possibilities from Oslo

Quote: Pacomartin

I think these round the world routes would be possible with the A321LR. The longer 8 segment route is 23,512 miles (3,780 miles max) and the shorter 4 segment route is 15,334 miles (4,488 miles max).

Sure, but if you're going to flit around in a 737, you'll want 5th freedom flights as well :)

My limit in a plain economy seat with decent leg room is three hours. Past that I need to get up and move around. That's not a problem in a wide body, but ti can be challenging in a narrow body, even when the cart ins't blocking the aisle.