Two Gods or One
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May 28th, 2016 at 7:52:32 PM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25013 |
I have turned it to that question many times, you just don't remember. You still haven't explained why the popes say it's one god for both religions, and the Protestants say it's two separate gods. It's almost like no god is talking to either side, it's just all politics as usual. To an atheist, it's just religious people mumbling to themselves. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
May 29th, 2016 at 5:38:31 AM permalink | |
Nareed Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 346 Posts: 12545 |
So what was wrong with the first messiah Jehovah "sent" to Judea? Donald Trump is a one-term LOSER |
May 29th, 2016 at 6:29:52 AM permalink | |
Dalex64 Member since: Mar 8, 2014 Threads: 3 Posts: 3687 |
From http://www.thethinkingatheist.com/forum/Thread-Bible-Prophecies We also know the timeline - prophesies, jesus, stories of what jesus did, revised stories about what jesus did which now show him fulfilling prophesies. "Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts." Daniel Patrick Moynihan |
May 29th, 2016 at 6:49:38 AM permalink | |
TheCesspit Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 23 Posts: 1929 | Father, you say that the first non-Roman Catholic churches didn't exist until the 16th century. That ignores the Orthodox church (great schism in 1054, but not part of the Latin church structure ever), the Oriental Orthodox church (a separate group and rejected the early ecumenical councils in the 500 CE area too). Plus many other smaller churches that were began from the early Christian movement and who've never been part of the Church of Rome. The Pope has never had full doctrine power over the Christian church as a complete body. It's not just a Protestant rejection of the church by Martin Luther. There is no one church, and one doctrine, but hundreds of flavours. It is said that your life flashes before your eyes just before you die.... it's called Life |
May 29th, 2016 at 6:59:44 AM permalink | |
Nareed Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 346 Posts: 12545 |
You know, it would seem that to the universalist Catholic church, all that actually counts is Western Europe and its dominions. After all, most of the Arian, Monophysite, and Orthodox splinters were practiced in Asia minor, the Middle East, Africa and Eastern Europe. Donald Trump is a one-term LOSER |
May 29th, 2016 at 7:45:32 AM permalink | |
FrGamble Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 67 Posts: 7596 |
That is a great point about the Orthodox and you are correct. Since we can share the Sacraments with them and our differences with the Orthodox are not as doctrinally based I sometimes forget the great schism that sadly still exists. My bad. I don't think you are correct abut he Oriental Orthodox church or these other smaller Churches that you mentioned.
This is not correct. The Pope until the great schism did lead the entire Christian Church, which was one. Even today there is still one doctrine or one creed that unites all Christians. This Nicene Creed and the Apostles Creed is interpreted differently, but in every mainline denomination these creeds are recited. “It is with the smallest brushes that the artist paints the most exquisitely beautiful pictures.” ( |
May 29th, 2016 at 8:41:40 AM permalink | |
TheCesspit Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 23 Posts: 1929 |
I don't think that many in the Orthodox Church would agree that the Bishop of Rome was a the primary leader in the early church. The Bishop of Rome may have thought he had primacy in all matters Christian. The Oriental Orthodox refused to accept some of the findings of the ecumenical councils. I think it would be hard to claim that before that point they were part of the Roman Catholic church, and the Bishop of Rome. That's really back filling in a history to see a thread backwards, but at the time, the many different churches were all going along their own ways, with what the believed was a common creed, but over time they found differences, such as the true nature of the divinity of Christ and all that other theological jazz. Just because the largest faction was the Chalcedonians, doesn't mean that everyone else was the part of them at the time of the schism. The schisms -created- the difference factions by it's occurrence. It is said that your life flashes before your eyes just before you die.... it's called Life |
May 29th, 2016 at 10:44:30 AM permalink | |
Nareed Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 346 Posts: 12545 |
I suppose the legacy of the persecution of Christians by other Christians since Constantine's time, is this bizarre belief that doctrinal differences about on, two or three imaginary beings never happened, and there were never important enough to engage in persecutions. So let me summarize: Oppression is Love Persecution is Inclusion Many is One Donald Trump is a one-term LOSER |
May 29th, 2016 at 2:13:20 PM permalink | |
Evenbob Member since: Oct 24, 2012 Threads: 146 Posts: 25013 |
Why do you call him 'father', is he your dad? I only have one set of fathers, all are related to me. Calling a religious person 'father' is an obvious attempt by the Church to usurp the power in the name. The paternal instinct is a strong one, we're taught from the earliest age to respect and obey our real fathers. A priest is not a father, he's a priest. It's not right to steal a real father's respect and employ it as your own. If you take a risk, you may lose. If you never take a risk, you will always lose. |
May 29th, 2016 at 7:09:52 PM permalink | |
Dalex64 Member since: Mar 8, 2014 Threads: 3 Posts: 3687 | Yeah, "call no man father" is a bit of a head-scratcher. http://www.catholic.com/tracts/call-no-man-father "Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts." Daniel Patrick Moynihan |