Should Atheism be made illegal?

Quote: FrGamble

You need trust and faith in Divine Revelation to recognize the truth of Christianity.

In other words, leave all reason and common
sense at the doorstep, hold your nose and
close your eyes and trust the unverifiable
and the untrustable. Why on earth would
anybody do that without being forced to.

You're forced to believe it because that's
what you were taught as a child. I suffer
under no such handicap, I see Christianity
for what it truly is. And it ain't a pretty.

Quote: Dalex64

You did say those things about science and god.
You have dismissed scientific theories for lack of evidence.
I did not mix anything up.

Let me clarify. The human mind using reason can come to the logical conclusion that there is a God. I don't know when I have dismissed scientific theories for lack of evidence. In fact I think science, especially modern cosmology, supports some of the logical premises one can use to show that God does exist. There is no true conflict between science and faith, for they are both seeking truth - just on different levels. There should also be no conflict between science properly understood and religion when it is open to critique and discussion. I don't know if this little summary helps, but I think you may have misunderstood me or I did not make myself clear.

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Ok, now I'll speak to philosophy and logic.

There are many things you can "prove" with logical reasoning, including the beliefs of many other major religions.
You then use "trust and faith" to choose the one that you want to be true - just like all of the other major religions.
"Trust and faith" - what you mean by trust and faith - is not a step of logical reasoning, evidence, or proof.

I like how you put "prove" in quotation marks. I think that shows we are on similar pages in regards to what "proving" something means in a logical, philosophical, or theological mindset. We cannot be talking about mathematical proofs (without quotations), what we are talking about is a preponderance of evidence that points us to one direction. It is then that "trust and faith" make a reasonable act to belief and put into practice what we have "proven". This is most surely an essential step of logical reasoning, at least an essential step if we want to live our lives in anything other than a theoretical bubble.

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In this context, "trust and faith" is circular reasoning - you believe in something because you have trust and faith that what you believe is true, therefore you believe in something.

Not at all. You believe in something because it is reasonable and credible. It is historical, logical, helpful, makes sense of life, it is substantiated by others, has miracles attached to it, and you have personally experienced it in a real and powerful way.

Quote: Evenbob

In other words, leave all reason and common
sense at the doorstep, hold your nose and
close your eyes and trust the unverifiable
and the untrustable. Why on earth would
anybody do that without being forced to.

Who is forcing you to be an atheist?

Quote: FrGamble

Who is forcing you to be an atheist?

Who is forcing me to see there is no evidence
of a god? Better question, what is forcing
me not to believe in unicorns or tooth fairies.

Just plain old common sense, I think.

Quote: FrGamble

Let me clarify. The human mind using reason can come to the logical conclusion that there is a God. .

Only when you start with that conclusion
anyway, and reverse engineer it to
prove your point. If you start with no
opinion at all, you will never ever come
to the conclusion that there is a god.

This is something you FrG, cannot look at
objectively. You're mind was poisoned
as a child, it's totally impossible for
you be objective. You will see everything
thru your 'god glasses', no matter how
hard you try not to. You've been cursed,
so to speak.

Quote: DJTeddyBear

Oh. Nareed's threads tend to be so idiotic that I rarely give them or himher a second thought.

Fixed that for you.

Quote: TheCesspit

Quote: DJTeddyBear

Oh. Nareed's threads tend to be so idiotic that I rarely give them or himher a second thought.

Fixed that for you.

There was nothing wrong with the way I had it.

If Nareed objects, Nareed can contact me directly.

Quote: DJTeddyBear

Quote: TheCesspit

Quote: DJTeddyBear

Oh. Nareed's threads tend to be so idiotic that I rarely give them or himher a second thought.

Fixed that for you.

There was nothing wrong with the way I had it.

If Nareed objects, Nareed can contact me directly.

DJTeddyBear has made her point clear. Fair enough.

Quote: TheCesspit

Quote: DJTeddyBear

Quote: TheCesspit

Quote: DJTeddyBear

Oh. Nareed's threads tend to be so idiotic that I rarely give them or himher a second thought.

Fixed that for you.

There was nothing wrong with the way I had it.

If Nareed objects, Nareed can contact me directly.

DJTeddyBear has made her point clear. Fair enough.

Now THAT'S funny. Thanks for that.

Quote: DJTeddyBear

Oh. Nareed's threads tend to be so idiotic that I rarely give them or him a second thought.

I would have expected something better from FrG.

I like it! Demonstrating absurdity by being absurd.