1 million refugees in Germany

Quote: AZDuffman

No need to look for it as islam has brought it to us.

Whether these incidents should be viewed as a war or escalated into at least some more intense status is difficult to determine. The problem is that swatting bees, whether good ones or bad ones, will never suffice to escape an attack. The vicious and direct action against those who direct terrorist activities can be effective, but its rarely helpful to make wide spread changes, else you get the same kind of 'theater' that airport searches produce. Intrusive, expensive, annoying and utterly useless.

Quote: Fleastiff

Whether these incidents should be viewed as a war or escalated into at least some more intense status is difficult to determine. The problem is that swatting bees, whether good ones or bad ones, will never suffice to escape an attack. The vicious and direct action against those who direct terrorist activities can be effective, but its rarely helpful to make wide spread changes, else you get the same kind of 'theater' that airport searches produce. Intrusive, expensive, annoying and utterly useless.

Which is why it has to be recognized for the cultural struggle that it is. Islam does not live peacefully with any other culture and never has. While the conflict has been there since the beginnings of islam the current "hot" war goes back to about the late 1960s when terrorism began to be used as an islamic weapon. At first it was easy to ignore, happening half a world away. 50 years later it is at our doorstep, and instead of ignoring it many deny it. Curiously, islam's biggest defenders hold other social views that muslims find the most repugnant.

The history of Constantinoble/Istanbul shows what vacillation between tolerance can be. Sullemein the Magnificdnt was most lenient and certainly had no need to be.

I posted elsewhere about the ordeals, deaths, slavery and profits of the spice trade and I posted this in relation to a store manager having given me some spice for a dollar instead of the 2.05 that it should have been simply because he did not want to walk a few feet to check the shelf price. The dangers and expenses of The Silk Road and its various meandering tributaries are long gone and that amount of spice no longer is a risk of life or limb. Things change over time. The extreme radicals die out or are forced into mediocrity by internal pressures. It will be the same thing with the rabble rousing "fundamentalists".

In this country only an extreme few really wanted prohibition and most viewed prohibition as meaning hard liquor only and an end to a bar on every street corner and a stack of drunks on every sidewalk. The supporters of prohibition really did not envision TeeTotalism as becoming law nor did they envision wide spread social upheaval. The real fear in the voters minds were Syndicalists and Socialists. Just as the Congressional Conferene Committes can utterly re-write a bill, the committees that implemented the Volstead Act were the ones that made it so extreme. Wide spread violence, corruption and wealth generation and distribution was the unintended result of the over-hyped fear of largely Socialists and Syndicalists with Communists and Alcohol Purveyors thrown in for good measure.

Change comes, but usually not in the manner or for the reasons given.

Quote: AZDuffman

Which is why it has to be recognized for the cultural struggle that it is. Islam does not live peacefully with any other culture and never has. While the conflict has been there since the beginnings of islam the current "hot" war goes back to about the late 1960s when terrorism began to be used as an islamic weapon. At first it was easy to ignore, happening half a world away. 50 years later it is at our doorstep, and instead of ignoring it many deny it. Curiously, islam's biggest defenders hold other social views that muslims find the most repugnant.

Islam lives peacefully in my neighborhood and at my workplace. We have enemies; there are people who dedicate themselves to the demise of our society. They are not however the Turkish family across the street from my house or the people who attend the Muslim community center in my neighborhood that currently displays a sign reading "thank you neighbors for your love and support". Islam is not my enemy so it must be something else. Incorrectly identifying our enemy is just as bad as denying it.

Quote: JimRockford

Islam lives peacefully in my neighborhood and at my workplace. We have enemies; there are people who dedicate themselves to the demise of our society. They are not however the Turkish family across the street from my house or the people who attend the Muslim community center in my neighborhood that currently displays a sign reading "thank you neighbors for your love and support". Islam is not my enemy so it must be something else. Incorrectly identifying our enemy is just as bad as denying it.

You are in the trap that you think because you see good people in a group there is no threat. Most whites were good people but the Indians still got wiped out. Most Germans were good people but the Holocaust still happened. Most Japanese were good people but look what happened in Korea in the 1930s.

Islam has brutally killed people in the name of Islam since the day it was founded. Denying that doesn't change it.

Quote: AZDuffman

Most Germans were good people but the Holocaust still happened.

The vast majority of Germans were not
Nazis, it made up a tiny part of the
population. All it takes are a few bad
eggs to ruin it for a whole group of
people. You can tell me all day long
you work with great Muslims, it means
nothing.

Quote: Evenbob

. You can tell me all day long
you work with great Muslims, it means
nothing.

Blind hatred, I get it
A Muslim may cure cancer but you will still hate that person
We have Muslim police officers
We have Muslim USA soldiers
Its really sad you blindly hate them all :-(

Quote: terapined

Blind hatred, I get it
:-(

I had great black cab drivers working
for me. The conclusion I should have
drawn is all blacks are great people?

I leave simple thinking like that to
simple people. Of which I am not..

Quote: AZDuffman

You are in the trap that you think because you see good people in a group there is no threat. Most whites were good people but the Indians still got wiped out. Most Germans were good people but the Holocaust still happened. Most Japanese were good people but look what happened in Korea in the 1930s.

Islam has brutally killed people in the name of Islam since the day it was founded. Denying that doesn't change it.

Of course a threat exists, I'm not blind. I'm saying that Islam can and does peacefully coexist in our society. Nazis and Imperialist Japanese have no relevance to American Muslims peacefully worshipping in my community. The radical element is the threat

Quote: JimRockford

The radical element is the threat

And the Nazis were the threat in an
otherwise peaceful Germany, I fail to
see the difference. You have peaceful
Muslims in your community, big deal.
It has nothing to do with anything.