Defund Planned Parenthood

August 25th, 2015 at 3:31:45 PM permalink
terapined
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Quote: reno
The analogy I've used in other threads is that just because I want tobacco to be legal, doesn't mean that I'm pro-tobacco. On the contrary, I'm actually anti-tobacco. But I've come to the conclusion that creating an underground black market of illegal tobacco is worse for society than legalizing & regulating it. Inevitably, there will be many millionaires in the world who made their million$ from tobacco. Do they have blood on their hands? Sure. Should they be imprisoned? No.


Totally agree.
I want tobacco to be legal. Personally I am anti-tobacco. Don't smoke or chew. Tobacco has killed a lot of people but it should be legal.
I want abortion to be legal. Personally I am anti-abortion but I support the right. I support choice for others, not for myself because I personally am anti abortion
I want the KKK to have the legal right to march. I am extremely anti-KKK but I support their right to march.
I am anti scientology. I try to educate people on scientology abuse. But hey, you want to join, you have that right, I'll open the door for you.

Its about having views but not pushing those views on other people. Let people decide for themselves.
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August 25th, 2015 at 4:23:58 PM permalink
reno
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Quote: Nareed
There's a very big difference for that case. Unlike drugs, abortion, guns, tobacco, etc, it requires the participation of a child who cannot possibly consent to it. it's the same as human trafficking as far as consent goes. Either there isn't any, or it is coerced by force. Either way it should be banned.


I completely agree with the distinction you're making, but I'll play devil's advocate. Suppose the child porn video was made using digital animation, so that no children were harmed during the production of it. Or suppose it's text in a fictional book: a novel, with no pictures. Should that be illegal?

There are real world precedents: an Ohio man was sentenced to 10 years for writing fantasies in his diary about torturing children. He insists, (credibly) that he never intended to distribute or sell his diary to other people, his writing was completely personal & private. (The conviction was later overturned.)

Once you start criminalizing certain fictional writing, the slippery slope gets weird. Shall we criminalize any book which depicts teenage sexuality? Shall we criminalize any fictional book which depicts incest, rape, torture, or murder?
August 26th, 2015 at 5:21:41 AM permalink
FrGamble
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Just to be clear, I've heard nothing resembling an argument that we should not defund Planned Parenthood. Mosca presented some challenges with his "didn't you know?" post, but I think they were all answered without response. Anyone else have any reason we shouldn't defund them?
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August 26th, 2015 at 7:13:13 AM permalink
rxwine
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Quote: FrGamble
Just to be clear, I've heard nothing resembling an argument that we should not defund Planned Parenthood. Mosca presented some challenges with his "didn't you know?" post, but I think they were all answered without response. Anyone else have any reason we shouldn't defund them?


Why. Not over this -- first of all there still hasn't been a proper investigation. Can't wait, eh?

Quote:
So far, state investigations have turned up no wrongdoing with Planned Parenthood’s procurement of fetal tissue.


http://www.wsj.com/articles/planned-parenthood-unit-files-suit-to-block-louisiana-from-canceling-medicaid-contract-1440519871
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August 26th, 2015 at 8:04:10 AM permalink
Nareed
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Quote: reno
I completely agree with the distinction you're making, but I'll play devil's advocate. Suppose the child porn video was made using digital animation, so that no children were harmed during the production of it. Or suppose it's text in a fictional book: a novel, with no pictures. Should that be illegal?


That's an interesting can of worms.

Alas, not one I care to open or resolve.

On the one hand, there is a compelling state interest in protecting children from abuse. On the other, there is also a compelling interest to protect free speech in all its forms. That's a succinct statement of the problem, and as far as I'm willing to go.
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August 26th, 2015 at 10:59:49 AM permalink
RedNeckerson
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http://plannedparenthood.org/files/6714/1996/2641/2013-2014_Annual_Report_FINAL_WEB_VERSION.pdf#page=20&zoom=110,-207,787

In Texas we have millions of uninsured women and children. They have been an affordable option for yearly exams and birth control for years. Our legislature would like to end that. Without offering any other options since they also didn't expand Medicare.

This breaks down their expenses and percentages of services. Abortion is a tiny part.

You can do what you want with this. I just thought some numbers might be helpful.
August 26th, 2015 at 12:05:02 PM permalink
Nareed
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Quote: rxwine
Why. Not over this -- first of all there still hasn't been a proper investigation. Can't wait, eh?


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August 26th, 2015 at 12:16:17 PM permalink
rxwine
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edit wrong thread
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September 3rd, 2015 at 3:26:59 PM permalink
FrGamble
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Quote: RedNeckerson

This breaks down their expenses and percentages of services. Abortion is a tiny part.

You can do what you want with this. I just thought some numbers might be helpful.


Numbers are very helpful. Here is a little article that takes two minutes to read that explains why these same numbers show that Abortion is not at all a tiny part of what PP does.

Truth behind PP's 3%
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September 3rd, 2015 at 3:30:03 PM permalink
Nareed
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Are any of the myriad clueless people demanding the defunding of Planned Parenthood aware that it receives not one penny of funding for abortions?
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