Jesus & Horus. Coincidence?

Quote: Pacomartin

... concluded that the Pagan/Christian similarities were a Satanic attempt at "diabolical mimicry." Satan was said to have use "plagiarism by anticipation." That is, the Devil made a pre-emptive strike against the gospel stories centuries before Jesus was born.

Seriously. Name one other field where this would fly. Just give me ONE example. It's willful ignorance to a "T".

It's like a cartoon. It's the type of reasoning children give before they've reached the age of reason. It's an answer so ludicrous that even a simpleton can see right through it, but because it's the only answer that will save the concept, it is promoted as "truth". And, god save us, people actually accept it.

"The more ridiculous a belief, the more tenaciously it is held". Indeed.

Quote: FrGamble

. It is philosophy that gives us the scientific method, .

No it's not. Trial and error and gave us
the scientific method, the need for better
mousetrap. Philosophy and religion had
nothing to do with it and still doesn't.

Quote: FrGamble

Your attempt is so simplistic

That's how fairy tales for children are
addressed, simplistically. Virgin moms,
walking on water, pretending you're
David Copperfield and turning water
into wine, rising from the dead and
hanging out with your bud's. Believing
there's a boogeyman devil behind every
tree waiting to trick you. It's when you
take simplistic and obvious myths like
these and believe they are true, that's
when you get into serious trouble. As
we witnessed in the bloody and awful
history of the Church. Forcing others
to swallow the Church's silly stories
on penalty of death, which I have zero
doubt they would still be doing if they
could get away with it.

Quote: Face

Seriously. Name one other field where this would fly. Just give me ONE example. It's willful ignorance to a "T".
It's like a cartoon. It's the type of reasoning children give before they've reached the age of reason. It's an answer so ludicrous that even a simpleton can see right through it, but because it's the only answer that will save the concept, it is promoted as "truth". And, god save us, people actually accept it.

"The more ridiculous a belief, the more tenaciously it is held". Indeed.

It's called religious reverse engineering. When
you can't change the facts, like the documented
myths of Horus, you invent a completely implausible
answer like 'Satan planted the story'. Because the
followers believe whole cloth all the other ridiculous
stories the Church cooks up, they have zero problem
with this one. Once you take a sip of the Kool Aid,
you keep coming back for more.

That could also fall into the category of: history repeats itself. That is also tied closely with: those who do not study history are doomed to repeat it.

Quote: Face

Seriously. Name one other field where this would fly. Just give me ONE example. It's willful ignorance to a "T".

I wasn't defending the argument, just pointing out that it is one that has been around for thousands of years.

I tend towards the simplest explanation. "The anointed one" is a healer since primitive medications would have tended towards external salves. All religions tend to believe in some kind of healer. So it is not surprising you would fine similarities.

Quote: Pacomartin

I wasn't defending the argument, just pointing out that it is one that has been around for thousands of years.

I didn't think you were, sorry if it came across like that. You're very much Joe Friday. "Just the facts, ma'am". But the facts here happened to make me cringe, hence my response.

Quote: Pacomartin

I tend towards the simplest explanation. "The anointed one" is a healer since primitive medications would have tended towards external salves. All religions tend to believe in some kind of healer. So it is not surprising you would fine similarities.

Totally agree. There's just so much that has a reasonable explanation, yet is taken to the absurd. Like blood letting. At WoV we talked about floaters or flashes of light. Back in the day, you'd likely be cut open to "allow the demon to escape". And you know what? It would've worked. The bright spots are caused by hypertension, and losing blood would sure lower your BP. It works, but not because of the reason stated. And, let us not forget, "mind over matter", or the placebo effect, is a very real thing, and that has existed for as long as we've practiced medicine.

The idea of using the spirit to heal is decent, and has merit. The problem is not standing up and calling BS when you see it. This blind and ridiculous faith, such as the example you've posted, results in assclowns like Peter Popoff and Benny Hinn, who get rich by convincing people to cast aside meds, which later causes them to die. Or maybe that's better. Maybe it thins the herd in the name of logic while allowing the believers to join their Father. I suppose it's all apart of the master plan, huh?

Pah. Some shaman "tames the serpent". Until he's bit by one, relies on the Holy Spirit for aid and succor, and dies from the wound. And the masses remain unflinching in their belief.

I'm with EB. Thank god I wasn't forced into this as a child.

Quote: Face

Seriously. Name one other field where this would fly. Just give me ONE example.

Astrology.

So there :)

Seriously, in pre-scientific times, natural philosophers came up with the most astonishing notions to explain the universe. Some were honest, though inherently ignorant, attempts to reach and explanation. But as religion replaced philosophy, these tended to become dogmatic when they still existed at all.

Quote: Pacomartin

"The anointed one" is a healer since primitive medications would have tended towards external salves.

Why do you say that? My nutritional healer has many herbs in jars that were discovered milennia ago. Today 80% of medicine is still plant based. I'm sure they used topical applications but I think they mostly observed the effects of what they ate.

Quote: Nareed

Astrology... But as religion replaced philosophy, these tended to become dogmatic when they still existed at all.

Astrology and Christianity make equal sense.
None. They're both based on wishful thinking.

Philosophy leaves room for growth and change
and new ideas. Religion is made up axioms and
silly notions masquerading as 'truth'. No room
for growth or change, believe as they do or pay
the price.