Easter Is Coming in 8 Weeks

I am convinced you really haven't read what Paul said concerning the Resurrection. Nor do you understand who Paul was or his unique perspective, which was different than that of the other Apostles. He is like a theological reflection on the reality of the Resurrection and what it means to us.

Quote: FrGamble

I am convinced you really haven't read what Paul said concerning the Resurrection.

Then neither have liberal denominations
or the 1/3 of the clergy of the Church of
England who believe the resurrection was
spiritual and not physical. Yes, I see where
you can fill in gaps in what Paul wrote, and
twist it around to read the way you want it
to. But that doesn't mean he actually said it.
For the Church, he needs to have said it, so
of course to them he did.

I think the liberal denominations and clergy you mention have read Paul and for them to believe such poppycock is a shame on them, they have the greater sin than you. In fact having led you astray their sin is multiplied. They do exactly as you mention, they twist it around and read it the way they want to.

Can I also point out to you a mistake you make quite often. You convict me of twisting things around and reading it the way I want to, or the way the Church wants to. To do this you present a different interpretation that reads the way you want it to and you present this as the truth. You really should have a better reason than 1/3 of the clergy of the Church of England (a made-up stat) and most important - you - want there to only be a spiritual resurrection. Since the Church put together the books of the Bible and since they have consistently held that Paul and all Christians believe in the real Resurrection of Jesus it would seem that you should come up with something the Church hasn't thought of or somehow missed in its study and prayer over its sacred texts for a thousand years. Absent that I think it is pretty clear that you and your liberal denominations are the ones twisting the words of St. Paul to read the way you want it.

Quote: FrGamble

it is pretty clear that you and your liberal denominations are the ones twisting the words of St. Paul to read the way you want it.

And they say the same about what you believe.
For the hundredth time, that's why there are
3000 differing versions of the religion. Nobody
agrees on anything.

I have to reiterate this point. For people like me,
and Nareed too, maybe, there is only ONE
Christianity, and that's a person calling himself
a Christian. They all blend together into one
homogenous goo to me, the fact that you all are
constantly infighting over who is right and who
is wrong just points out what squishy ground
your all on. It's silliness personified. A Catholic
is every bit as much a Christian as the most wacko
nutjob who is the only member of his nutjob church.

I took an aviation course once. They went into
great detail of what makes a plane fly, how an
airfoil works, drag and lift and all that. Not one
person stood up and said "You're wrong, I
believe differently". You know why no one did?
Because the guy saying it could PROVE it.

Nobody can PROVE a dang thing about the
resurrection, but that doesn't stop anybody
from presenting it as fact. And then screaming
at you when you don't believe it.

Oy...

What if I was to lump all atheists together, what kind of goop would I get from that? If you are going to ever understand Christianity if would behoove you to learn about at least the major denominations, which make up 99% of all Christians. Then you can recognize the differences, but more importantly you can recognize the vast amount of things we are all in agreement on.

How would the pilot prove it? Would he just explain it better with another picture or point to the diagram in the textbook? The best way to prove it is to take the guy flying. Get him up in the air and experience the beauty of this higher and new perspective where everything seems like it comes together and is beautiful. Experience is the best way to prove something.

Quote: FrGamble

How would the pilot prove it?

The teacher I had proved it with math.
Very simple to understand math.
Speed coupled with lift from the airfoil
wing equals flight. Proved, it has to
happen, it has no choice.

If you put all atheists together, you
would get just one thing: no god.
That's it, end of story, there ain't no
more to it. With Christians you almost
have them arguing about how many
angels can dance on the head of a
pin.

So many rules and regs, do you have
any idea what's it's like to lead a moral
life without all the mumbo jumbo and
opinions of people that have been
dead for thousands of years running
your life for you? Just like I have no idea
what it's like to have a thought and checking
with a moral authority to see if that thought
is allowed.

Why would I do that to myself?

Quote: Evenbob

Just like I have no idea
what it's like to have a thought and checking
with a moral authority to see if that thought
is allowed.

Why would I do that to myself?

When I think about it, why would anybody
do that to themselves on purpose. Having
to constantly monitor your thoughts
so they won't offend some god. With no
real proof that you need to do it.

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How would the pilot prove it? Would he just explain it better with another picture or point to the diagram in the textbook? The best way to prove it is to take the guy flying. Get him up in the air and experience the beauty of this higher and new perspective where everything seems like it comes together and is beautiful. Experience is the best way to prove something.

It's a -terrible- way to prove many things. Like if an airplane flies, there's much we know that we can do on the ground before taking off. Same with bridges... we don't just build a bridge and walk out on it to see if it works.

Experiences make awful data as well. Anecdotal evidence makes it worth investigating something, but it's a terrible way to make a proof of something, that it's solid and can be repeated for everyone.

Quote: TheCesspit

Experiences make awful data as well.

Any cop will tell you that eyewitnesses
to a crime give the worst testimony on
the stand. They are so unreliable that
if that's all you have, your case won't
go to trial.

Yet that's all we have for the resurrection
story. And we have zero idea if the authors
were even there and saw anything, the
accounts were written decades later. Experts
say you really can't remember anything from
the past very accurately. What you remember
is what you thought the last time you remembered
it. Compound this with decades of stories on
stories on stories, and the liklihood of the
resurrection happening as it's portrayed in the
Bible isn't even 5%.

Quote: TheCesspit

It's a -terrible- way to prove many things. Like if an airplane flies, there's much we know that we can do on the ground before taking off. Same with bridges... we don't just build a bridge and walk out on it to see if it works.

Experiences make awful data as well. Anecdotal evidence makes it worth investigating something, but it's a terrible way to make a proof of something, that it's solid and can be repeated for everyone.

To experience the joy of flying there is nothing like flying. We can talk all we want about the academics and science behind aerodynamics, but it doesn't compare to flying. It is personal and makes it hard to explain to someone else, which is part of the strength of experience. I can't have your experiences for you, you have to have them yourself.

You do have to make sure you understand the basics, that it makes sense to you, check out the plane make sure it is safe, you might want to take an experienced pilot or trainer with you, but you will never really know about flying till you do it.